Burnham
Woods walker
I'm with your other guy too, Butch. Afraid the physics of the deal are inescapable. It's a case of mechanical advantage, not just your body weight.
Pulling a tree: Do you agree?
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MasterBlaster
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Well I guess I stand corrected.
Burnham
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Al Smith
Mac Daddy
I usually have it tied to something with some power,like a dozer or something that has some grunt if the thing is that large .
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The Branch Doctor
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Well now that that's all said, how about the reality factor. What I mean is I have my guys well trained when it comes to pulling because I usually have a small and limited LZ so I don't have the convenience of another tree to use for any kind of leverage.
One thing that I did emphasize heavily is don't pull the rope.... run with the rope. If you pull it all your leverage is gone with one stroke, where as if you run with it you can maintain at least a little leverage for a good portion of the fall.
Anybody else do it like that?
One thing that I did emphasize heavily is don't pull the rope.... run with the rope. If you pull it all your leverage is gone with one stroke, where as if you run with it you can maintain at least a little leverage for a good portion of the fall.
Anybody else do it like that?
Burnham
Woods walker
Wedges, people...wedges 
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squisher
THE CALM ONE!!!!
Lol, who the hell uses wedges?
brendonv
Tree Hugger
Wedges you say...I actually picked up 4 yesterday, 2 10", 2 8". I'm going to start using them to experiment, maybe shave some time off over using ropes. I got a nice long handled axe I scrounged up after reading your prior threads Burn.
We'll see how the wedges work.
Just sharing.
We'll see how the wedges work.
Just sharing.
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The Branch Doctor
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There's no such thing as too many wedges... I've recently come to realize. Cause it sure sucks finding out you don't have enough!
Burnham
Woods walker
I still find it hard to believe there are cutters out there that don't use wedges...no matter what your field of work, a sawyer needs wedges to handle some situations. A good sawyer can handle many felling situations without a pull line at all, given the right tools: wedges and a proper axe.
MasterBlaster
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Since I hardly ever get to fell trees, I never use a wedge for throwing. I bust em out when bucking big stuff or ALAPing a stump.
lumberjack
Young man on the go
If you're LZ be tight, wouldn't you have something to anchor to typically? It aint gotta be a tree
.The pull vrs run... I'm pretty sure I'm not following your logic. After the piece has tipped, I'm not worried about keeping tension on the rope, however getting the rope out from under a large piece before it hits the ground is nice.
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xtremetrees
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I lack the proper training to employ wedges around a house which is almost always my case. I trust a pull rope it just seems more mechanical advantage. I just have the guys pull the rope, if they are busy dragging bush and I need to throw a stubb but dont want to bother them, I'll use a loop runner and crab to an ajecent tree (direction of fell), trucker hitch the line mid way crab into that and purchase the slack out of the rope then secure it to the tree. walk back and finish my cut. If its big and dodgy throw and I want to make sure, I can add a pully to both crabs and make it 4 -1 with only two crabs, runt he rope thru the crab on the first pass and the second pass run it thru the pully. CHeaper than a z-rig and alot faster.
Burnham
Woods walker
Look at what you just wrote, Robert...all that caniption with rope and biners and pulleys and not wanting to bother the groundies, when a couple of wedges and a felling axe would have it all done and taken care of.
But your point about proper training is well taken...if you don't know how to do it, you can't.
brendonv
Tree Hugger
I too used to use this alot at my old job, he pretty much did it to all the trees. Works great, can get alot of pull on the rope with the 3-1 ma, then tie it off...if the tree still doesn't move just throw your body weight on top and wammo.
sotc
Dormant hero!!
i just use the rope to commit the tree, doesnt seem to accomplish much as the tree falls faster than i can run any way
forgot to throw wedges in the truck i used today so i hillbillied it
gf beranek
Old Schooler
The only time I used my body weight to deflect a rope and pull a tree was when I come to the end of the knot or other gizmo. It works,,, but if you have to do it you missed something.
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The Branch Doctor
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How so Mr. B?
rbtree
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not quite, Nick....You pull sideways on the line.......gives gobs of power and deflection as much as needed. Similar to speedlining, the force you apply is multiplied at the ends of the line.
AH ha, as I look outside, it's snowing again...I'm 300 feet above sea level in Seattle.....Got great pics today a ways out of town where there was a lot more....pics and a thread to follow. April 18, latest snow here in 36 years...
Al Smith
Mac Daddy
Well, once again ,I'm not a tree man.I am a rigger though and really there isn't that much difference .
Do to the fact 90 perecent of the time I work alone I have came up with some of my own methods,which work .
I can wedge over a tree ,no problem .Every so often though a guy wants to be little more sure of things.Hench a pull line and a come-along .
One little trick is to tie in a 40 pound cement block somewhere in the middle of the pull line and tighten the come-along but not like a bango string . It is a sure fired bet it will direct the tree .
Do to the fact 90 perecent of the time I work alone I have came up with some of my own methods,which work .
I can wedge over a tree ,no problem .Every so often though a guy wants to be little more sure of things.Hench a pull line and a come-along .
One little trick is to tie in a 40 pound cement block somewhere in the middle of the pull line and tighten the come-along but not like a bango string . It is a sure fired bet it will direct the tree .
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Banned by Squirrels
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I voted like your buddy...
(I secretly wish that I too had massive guns.)
(I secretly wish that I too had massive guns.)
MasterBlaster
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At least I wasn't completely wrong, the votes are about half and half.
lumberjack
Young man on the go
In this case kinda wrong is like being kinda pregnant.
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