Originally Posted by Burnham
Thomas, you can have all the chances you wish . But frankly, beyond the Rope Shield function, which makes perfect sense to me as a useful item, I cannot make myself want to even try it.
makes perfect sense to position ropes but not as a device that its primary purpose is exactly that, “Positioning”. Position, retrieving and isolating confused.
I'm not confused...the only useful aspect of the device, to my eye, is the ropeshield. You may insist all you wish that the rest is so, but I disagree.
I am seeing a throw weight that will ricochet mercilessly, and I'm not convinced by your counter that the only thing it will hit in the tree are small diameter branches that will only deflect it and not generate strong bounces off line. I'm certainly not convinced that it will pull free when it does wrap around branches, that defies logic, since in my experience it's the throwline that causes the issue in this situation, not the weight.
Ricochet is insignificant in terms of use. The key is its ability to pierce the crown and bypass obstacles up down and all around. I know where you are coming from and the good news is the RK excels at this most important duty. RopeKnight is less of factor with limb wraps than a throw bag, arguing anything different defies logic
Word I get from some who have tried it is in direct conflict with your statement re ricochets. Piercing the crown has no effect on bounce when the solid projectile hits a solid surface. I.m not going to argue about the limb wraps, we'll just have to accept that we disagree diametrically.
I am seeing a throw weight that will be difficult in the extreme to launch with a BigShot, and I'm not convinced by your assertion that careful placement in the "hammock" will take care of this...my BS has a deep pouch shape...no way would the RA fit in it properly at all.
Yes it is true I had the old pouch and flubbed quite a few shots, again set it in squarely and you are off to the races
Perhaps...but I remain unconvinced. The new style is a deep pouch form as well. The geometry and balistics are all wrong for that shape to be launched from that pouch. Trials would be the only way to change my perception, in which case I'd be happy to say I was incorrect.
I am seeing a throw weight that will be dangerous to objects around the target tree and to the user himself, and use of the foam cover would seem to negate most of the advantages you tout for the device. Your response that we should move breakables, throw carefully, etc. is laughable to me. Success with throwbag is at best 60-70% skill and the rest is luck. You must be way more lucky than I.
Treat it the same way as a throwbag with the added confidence that it will respond as expected. Smooth, fast, safe and easy positioning. Apples to oranges Burnham I think you need to feel the difference. Primarily performance and handling. Luck is for horse shoes this is a precision tool designed to do what we ask of it
If it were to respond as I expect it to, confidence would be lower, not higher. I'm talking about throwing the thing, not positioning, not handling. If luck doesn't play some role in your success with throwweights and line, then you are far better at it than anyone I have ever seen.
For the trees I commonly would work in, 12.5 ounces max. weight simply isn't heavy enough to bring the throw weight down in many cases. 14 or 16 is more commonly needed.
RopeKnight has a max weight of approximately 16 oz, weight is customizable. The Rk is faster and smoother and therefore makes it to the ground without any excess weight/friction. Add another bag or hammer or wrench just know that Rk is technically the best form and finish to position or isolate tie in points.
You may want to update your website. As of this morning, it told me 12.5 oz. was max. In my experience, it is weight of the throwbag and the amount of throwline it must drag, and friction level experienced by the cord over the limb or limbs it crosses, that govern how well it returns to the ground...not the shape of the weight.
The fiddly nature of all the bits and pieces just doesn't appeal. And on your website videos you seem to be implying that I'd want two of them to properly isolate branches. Twice as many little parts to keep track of.
Ideally two is better than one in the big ol dirty trees. Fiddly parts, come on Burnham its easy peasy with a bit of practice. Tying knots is arguably just as or more difficult depending on the knots you use. Personally and what I am hearing from the ones who are using it, they find thumbing a bolt a good alternative to fiddling with thin lines and knots
I suppose this is a matter of personal preference...in my view, it would be a real bother to deal with all the bits and pieces...unless I were of the opinion that the RA was sufficiently better at the task to warrant the trouble. Unfortunately, I am not convinced of this, so all the small parts equal a drawback not balanced by performance improvments.
For me to spend the kind of money this item costs, I need to be enthusiastic about the likelyhood it'll prove worthwhile...and that simply isn't the case here.
What is worth getting excited about is fast, accurate, smooth, easy and safe RopeKnight experience. Consider again your 1st statement Burnham RopeShield makes sense and that is the essence of it all. It is a beautiful engineered tool that does exactly its purpose. The cost is what it is and anyone who is in the biz of manufacturing/marketing and all that will attest the price is exceptionally reasonable.
You misunderstand me, Thomas. It's not the cost that waves me off, it's the cost without sufficient benefit to warrant it, for me. I don't question that the cost is an accurate reflection of what it takes to put a RA in my hands, not at all. The rope shield by itself is a far cry from the rest of the package, and to my way of seeing things, is not the essence, it's the only useful part of the whole. I was interested to see you will sell it alone...I could perhaps get behind that idea for my own kit. You are "excited about the fast, accurate, smooth, easy and safe RopeKnight experience". I am not, and your saying I should be will never make it so by itself.
Of course, I could be wrong...see my sig line .
Being wrong, right, best or whatever does not add to the conversation. I value your input and appreciate the criticism. It helps me to focus and evaluate the RopeArmor message. I am listening and processing the info and hope that I am doing my best with the information you and many others have shared. We may look at the problems and the solutions differently. In the end throw liners have a choice. The classic tools or a technological improvement. Zig or Zag.
who was just entirely interested in throwing a wrench/all metal object into the traditonal system.
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