theTreeSpyder
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This is a constant internal conversation of decades for me as read posts and examinations etc.
>>especially in more common softer forwardish leans, limbs etc.
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Energy is greatest with speed, e=mcSQUARED, leaving mass(M) as the unchanging, more nominal progression component to the total sum vs. the much more variable and volatile compounding of the twins(cSQUARED).
>>mass is an inescapable given here, speed a variable volume knob of much more volatile/compounding effect invoked
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i, personally, define hinging scenarios as 2 opposing pure type dimensions
>>then degrees of hybrids between these 2 purebred potential limits (as the hybrid's parents) .
Purebred, most extreme range, potential usable limits as mutually exclusive alternatives or dueled parent dimensions to the rest of hybrid strategies>>
Folding: as a well setup, slow, clean, smooth, non-stalling but fully committed, artisan sawyer confidently walks cleanly away as setup pool shot plays out easing the mass's path
>>then the gargantuan more gracefully and subtley powers it's path to ground w/own force w/minimal additive of compounding 'twins' of speed multiplier
>>lower impact to sea of soil, less buried or dirty limbs to cut , ruined dirty lumber, lawn disturbance, broken sprinklers and pipes etc. as well
Throwing: as more chasing tree off the stump with saw discarding safer, subtle grace for quicker slamming force(or to me sometimes/sorry simply displacing lack of technique to get to same target/or nearby anyway)
>>can punch thru more things if needed
>>can slam harder into a dutched face for greater response back/like throwing ball harder against wall responds w/harder usable force return(gingerly resting or fluttering across dutching is NOT same as slamming that mo'fo into for the rebound force)
>>sawyer stays in killzone of batter's box thru more action as increased risk variable AND of a more violent action as multiplier to that as well reducing reaction time, and then even more so in the confusion quite possibly.
2 opposing strategies on same spectrum.
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Sometimes what is prescribed for one strategy can be exact opposite for the other /opposite strategy, style(or ummmm, lack thereof).
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Doc Shigo really put out there fully that hard rain drops can wreak havoc on mychors in sea of soil. Another reason for the slower/less impacting falls. Allowing some sidelean, and ballasting it out, reduces forward concussion of the remaining force. Slower grace to me is more of an artful challenge, more likely to refine skills in it's propagation; but in some s(h)ituations would need to be left behind.
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When we compare notes; slow grace of slower persistent fold vs. full bull dawg of hard throw
>>can make a lot of difference between how author is trying to describe technique of facing, wedging, roping, backcutting, evac etc. from benchmark of their common strategies
vs.
More affirmative harder throw/chasing tree off stump more, harder hammer, less evac etc. of perhaps reader.
>>or vice/(re)versa
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Full commitment is real target, can be by setup of mass's controlled path or raging speed or mixtures
>>when say best to serve added force inline, across thinnest axis of hinge, to target
>>and side forces of common wedge or rope input is less helpful
>>are probably talking more to slow, graceful ballet , set/evac/forget fall i think
vs.
>>when say no i use some/or all side wedge or rope force as more correct
>>probably, i think, speaking more of harder, faster throw, watch your azz more
>>if into full commitment speed as affected by added sideforce of wedge/rope angle
>>then can see where it just continues at that angle as now speed not mass is so much more fully master
>>the full commitment path more likely plays out even as sideforce is relieved
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Added sideforce relief in slow fall, more controlled mass leading fall, can see where
>>tree sideforce impacts back as added rope/wedge sideforce SUDDENLY relieves
>>more chance i think of going off course at this point if (s)low speed
>>the mechanics continue to play out, now slanted perhaps even impacting to side
>>that compounding multiplier of speed fall could ignore more than nominal mass fall
So always fear some loss of translation from author to reader(s).
.
2 different strategies and notes from different ends of the equal/opposite dimensions of pipe model to try
>>to the same target point
>>sometimes hybrid mix of so much grace dimension + some punch dimension is best
.
Extremes of exception find samples of side rope to side neighbor or rear side stump
>>where rope tied, tightened to be like exaggerated off the stump Tapered Hinge effect of rope instead of wood fiber.
>>then sideforce can be VERY powerful guide, too much so, recommend way far less/if any at all, demos of science only, than even dutching.
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To me, modelling from slow grace dimension of same fall;
>>Making hinge stronger to target by false loading/exercising stronger model of earlier fold on faced-target axis
>>then imbuing that same stronger hinge with side ballast of Tapered Hinge
>>to ballast out tree sideforce from equation
>>leaving only forward target axis force to be expressed
>>lasts as long as hinge, and the way to go
But perhaps not to the next artisan/sawyer or s(h)ituation.
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Slower commitment is more like visions of graceful martial arts magic to me personally
>>faster commitment is more vision of bodacious like Iron Mike(Tyson) boxing at Olympics or later w/Frazier (devoid of any type of Ali Shuffle even)to me
i model for mechanical grace, and speed is added spice as i write/draw
>>Tho the great philosopher Michael Tyson is most correct:
>>"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth!”
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Peace
>>especially in more common softer forwardish leans, limbs etc.
.
Energy is greatest with speed, e=mcSQUARED, leaving mass(M) as the unchanging, more nominal progression component to the total sum vs. the much more variable and volatile compounding of the twins(cSQUARED).
>>mass is an inescapable given here, speed a variable volume knob of much more volatile/compounding effect invoked
.
i, personally, define hinging scenarios as 2 opposing pure type dimensions
>>then degrees of hybrids between these 2 purebred potential limits (as the hybrid's parents) .
Purebred, most extreme range, potential usable limits as mutually exclusive alternatives or dueled parent dimensions to the rest of hybrid strategies>>
Folding: as a well setup, slow, clean, smooth, non-stalling but fully committed, artisan sawyer confidently walks cleanly away as setup pool shot plays out easing the mass's path
>>then the gargantuan more gracefully and subtley powers it's path to ground w/own force w/minimal additive of compounding 'twins' of speed multiplier
>>lower impact to sea of soil, less buried or dirty limbs to cut , ruined dirty lumber, lawn disturbance, broken sprinklers and pipes etc. as well
Throwing: as more chasing tree off the stump with saw discarding safer, subtle grace for quicker slamming force(or to me sometimes/sorry simply displacing lack of technique to get to same target/or nearby anyway)
>>can punch thru more things if needed
>>can slam harder into a dutched face for greater response back/like throwing ball harder against wall responds w/harder usable force return(gingerly resting or fluttering across dutching is NOT same as slamming that mo'fo into for the rebound force)
>>sawyer stays in killzone of batter's box thru more action as increased risk variable AND of a more violent action as multiplier to that as well reducing reaction time, and then even more so in the confusion quite possibly.
2 opposing strategies on same spectrum.
.
Sometimes what is prescribed for one strategy can be exact opposite for the other /opposite strategy, style(or ummmm, lack thereof).
.
Doc Shigo really put out there fully that hard rain drops can wreak havoc on mychors in sea of soil. Another reason for the slower/less impacting falls. Allowing some sidelean, and ballasting it out, reduces forward concussion of the remaining force. Slower grace to me is more of an artful challenge, more likely to refine skills in it's propagation; but in some s(h)ituations would need to be left behind.
.
When we compare notes; slow grace of slower persistent fold vs. full bull dawg of hard throw
>>can make a lot of difference between how author is trying to describe technique of facing, wedging, roping, backcutting, evac etc. from benchmark of their common strategies
vs.
More affirmative harder throw/chasing tree off stump more, harder hammer, less evac etc. of perhaps reader.
>>or vice/(re)versa
.
Full commitment is real target, can be by setup of mass's controlled path or raging speed or mixtures
>>when say best to serve added force inline, across thinnest axis of hinge, to target
>>and side forces of common wedge or rope input is less helpful
>>are probably talking more to slow, graceful ballet , set/evac/forget fall i think
vs.
>>when say no i use some/or all side wedge or rope force as more correct
>>probably, i think, speaking more of harder, faster throw, watch your azz more
>>if into full commitment speed as affected by added sideforce of wedge/rope angle
>>then can see where it just continues at that angle as now speed not mass is so much more fully master
>>the full commitment path more likely plays out even as sideforce is relieved
.
Added sideforce relief in slow fall, more controlled mass leading fall, can see where
>>tree sideforce impacts back as added rope/wedge sideforce SUDDENLY relieves
>>more chance i think of going off course at this point if (s)low speed
>>the mechanics continue to play out, now slanted perhaps even impacting to side
>>that compounding multiplier of speed fall could ignore more than nominal mass fall
So always fear some loss of translation from author to reader(s).
.
2 different strategies and notes from different ends of the equal/opposite dimensions of pipe model to try
>>to the same target point
>>sometimes hybrid mix of so much grace dimension + some punch dimension is best
.
Extremes of exception find samples of side rope to side neighbor or rear side stump
>>where rope tied, tightened to be like exaggerated off the stump Tapered Hinge effect of rope instead of wood fiber.
>>then sideforce can be VERY powerful guide, too much so, recommend way far less/if any at all, demos of science only, than even dutching.
.
To me, modelling from slow grace dimension of same fall;
>>Making hinge stronger to target by false loading/exercising stronger model of earlier fold on faced-target axis
>>then imbuing that same stronger hinge with side ballast of Tapered Hinge
>>to ballast out tree sideforce from equation
>>leaving only forward target axis force to be expressed
>>lasts as long as hinge, and the way to go
But perhaps not to the next artisan/sawyer or s(h)ituation.
.
Slower commitment is more like visions of graceful martial arts magic to me personally
>>faster commitment is more vision of bodacious like Iron Mike(Tyson) boxing at Olympics or later w/Frazier (devoid of any type of Ali Shuffle even)to me
i model for mechanical grace, and speed is added spice as i write/draw
>>Tho the great philosopher Michael Tyson is most correct:
>>"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth!”
.
Peace
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