Rolling vs. swinging

[davidwyby]

I thought a Dutchman or tight face on one side and a sizzy trench on the other was to swing a tree, but it seems one can play with the cut and make a roller too. Here to learn…

 

[Burnham]

Can't say I saw much movement.

Lots of gimmick cuts can generate different reactions from the tree. But the biggest problem with the whole concept is that the degree of movement one gets is almost impossible to quantify beforehand.

If I cannot be pretty sure what's going to happen when I do X, Y, and Z with the saw, I'm not real enthusiastic about starting down that road.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

The way I can interpret what Burnam is saying and from my own experience; you can learn a lot of neat tricks and cuts that MAY result in your desired lay or outcome. But not 100% of the time. But when it works, its great.
Like playin pool.

 

[Burnham]

Well said, Stephen.

Link to a post of mine in an older thread, on this subject...

Whizzy | Page 10 | The Tree House (masterblasterhome.com)

Actually, that whole thread is a great one, worth a full read. This link will take you to the beginning.

Whizzy | The Tree House (masterblasterhome.com)

 

[CurSedVoyce]

I probably should had added, that if things go wrong, it can change a nice trick shot into Russian Roulette in short order.
Best used in lowest risk scenario.

 

[flushcut]

We rarely get to drop trees whole.

 

[davidwyby]

We rarely get to drop trees whole.

I feel your pain. That’s why I’m getting away from pain in the keister yard trees and into big eucs in the country.

 

[davidwyby]

I probably should had added, that if things go wrong, it can change a nice trick shot into Russian Roulette in short order.
Best used in lowest risk scenario.

I have a place to experiment

 

[Marc-Antoine]

We rarely get to drop trees whole.

True, but the felling tricks can be helpfull in dismantling the crown to save on rigging/time/troubles (or not if that doesn't work as expected ).

 

[flushcut]

True, but the felling tricks can be helpfull in dismantling the crown to save on rigging/time/troubles (or not if that doesn't work as expected ).

Oh yeah for sure! I was dumping big tops like a surgeon all week. Big oaks, valley habitat, tall and held their taper.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

I prefer the clean up from rigging one down vs felling. Much smaller area.

 

[Treeaddict]

I’ve always enjoyed the climb first and then the felling of the spar. There’s a slight sadness when it’s straight to the drop. Granted, it’s not as exciting / challenging to drop a 20’ stick.

 

[Treeaddict]

David, are you interested in getting into climbing?

 

[davidwyby]

Only basic spurs n flipline demolition.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

I’ve always enjoyed the climb first and then the felling of the spar. There’s a slight sadness when it’s straight to the drop. Granted, it’s not as exciting / challenging to drop a 20’ stick.

Over too quickly. Except the clean up.

 

[davidwyby]

I’m a wannabe logger I guess. I like the challenge of making it go where I want from the ground without assistance. Course when it counts I do everything I can to make sure.

 

[flushcut]

1/2” insurance is cheap insurance.

 

[davidwyby]

In my case, 1/2” cable and 13,000lb 6x6…I make do with what I got

 

[flushcut]

Over too quickly. Except the clean up.

Five minutes with a chainsaw can make five hours of clean up.

 

[stig]

If you really wanted to manipulate that tree, setting a high stump, so you moved into straight fiber, would have been a good idea.

Burnham is going to love this post

 

[Burnham]

 

[SeanKroll]

Only basic spurs n flipline demolition.

Remotely, preset climb lines let you climb then sit in your saddle to cut, climb, sit, cut, climb, sit, cut.

I stand in spurs as needed, mostly on the way down, unless i can set the rope in another tree.

Standing in spurs requires good boots, especially the heavier the climber is.

I fluctuate from 180 to higher 180s, then add a saddle, hand saw and chainsaw, slings and biners or rigging gear and rigging rope, water bottle snack, possibly a hatchet-handle size ax and wedges,... it adds up. An easy 20 pounds if only using a small climbing saw.

 

[davidwyby]

When I wanna save time I park the trailer under the tree, drop the limbs on it, and then:

 

[davidwyby]

Remotely, preset climb lines let you climb then sit in your saddle to cut, climb, sit, cut, climb, sit, cut.

I stand in spurs as needed, mostly on the way down, unless i can set the rope in another tree.

Standing in spurs requires good boots, especially the heavier the climber is.

I fluctuate from 180 to higher 180s, then add a saddle, hand saw and chainsaw, slings and biners or rigging gear and rigging rope, water bottle snack, possibly a hatchet-handle size ax and wedges,... it adds up. An easy 20 pounds if only using a small climbing saw.

More respect for high climbers.

 

[SeanKroll]

Any concern for the trailer? It didn't look that bad, but cycles to failure and all that.

I would consider a thicker hinge on a non-barberchair prone tree/ chain the trunk, and pull it, rather than cut it until failure, in order to ease it over.

It would be terrible to have sudden failure while driving that load.