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I put the cut the OP recommended on video (and the stills) to further the discussion, and actually found the OP to have a good argument in support of the cut. I tried it and liked it.. At least it something those with small minds and big mouths can fathom... was pretty quick actually going from...

its a strange business, this tree work...

That's quite poetic and we all can appreciate a love and care for trees.. though that manifests in many different perspectives.. The old Jaanes gardner I used to work with, Hiroshi Makita used to like to chisel out the (almost) flush cuts on Jap maples cause they healed over without as much...

that's the only time to use the cut... when its no big deal!

The second tree was notchless... 90 second vid. <iframe width="480" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/feyPwR-JGSY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

used it again today on a 14' pine stick maybe 32" at the cut.. SCHZWEET!

I like this guy!

How about a fourth.. if you need "more control".. use a hinge

That is not the way of it bro.. we're all just out there trying to make a living... Hope you're well...

in the faint hope of contributing something positive to this thread, and maybe even getting it back on topic, I did try the OP's suggestion on a couple trees yesterday.. Gotta say in one case I was very happy to have the option.. The hollow cherry didn't have much of anything to use as a hinge...

Ya'all just like to pat yourselves on the back and congratulate yourselves on being the best tree men in the world.. Any one that mentions "the emperor has no clothes" upsets the equilibrium.... LOL

Its all good Stig... In America we have this thing called free speech. Which means you're allowed to hate me, And I AM allowed to not care.. LOL As heated as these conversations can get, they do serve a purpose.. They get people thinking.. And they get me motivated to shoot some video... (try...

You can get away with a lot of things on western conifers that would get you in a lot of trouble in eastern hardwood... Interesting to note the difference in perspectives.. and we haven't even touched on twist in the grain..

I disagree with that assesment and think you could get someone in a lot of trouble with that type of advice. Perhaps it species and even individually dependent. I know the trunk flare is might tough to split and can be extremely gnarly hard stuff... BUT that doesn't make it better hinging...

For those that missed the below reference...... cuts at :02, 6:10 and 6:14 were made without notches... the cut at 6:10 was made shoulder level... tough to cut a clean notch there with a 66... you can see the tree hit the lay perfectly, and better yet the faller (me) had left the building..

Now that's thinking outside the box..

It takes time, and there is a lot of closed minded adherence to orthodoxies, without really even understanding the "why". That's the nice thing about video.. tree men tend to want to see something in action before they try it.. I know I do.. With video, you can see a new cut or piece of...

No he's saying there was no face, just a straight back cut into the trunk flare.. but the cuts were from either side as the bar was short and there w as a bit of a bypass, causing the holding wood of the grain in the bypass differential to turn the tree away from its natural lean...

Dusted off the video camera today Nick... got some notchless rigging... Are you ready?

yes