would you climb and rig this?

[Widow Shooter]

No place for a crane, too many other trees around it, can't bomb the pieces, it is right over the weeping bed and tank, and it is leaning into another maple.

they are both hard maples, sugar maples, and the one leaning has lifted a bit of the root plate on the windward side.

Now i really don't think it will go anywhere if it did move any more, other than into the other equally big, if not bigger maple.

I'm thinking of SRT-ing up into the leaner, then setting my working DRT line in the second maple with a nice high TIP. They are so close I can work from the sound tree and access all of the leaner.

and the more I get rigged off, the less the tree will be leaning anyways right?

I want to keep the pieces smallish and let them run to prevent any undue stress, and I'll be using All Gear husky 5/8" , which is basically Polydyne

here are some pics, opinions?


They are both about 80', maybe higher.

 

[MasterBlaster]

From what I can see from here, I'd climb/ rig lightly out of it.

 

[lumberjack]

Sure, it doesn't look to be a big deal.

 

[flushcut]

I would climb the other tree and rig off that one as well using a tag line. If I am seeing it right she is pulling her roots correct? Or set some guy lines and keep the chunks light if you rig off of the leaner.

 

[gf beranek]

There's some possibilities there. With the other nearby trees.

 

[Widow Shooter]

The other trees are smaller maples with some hemlocks, none real close for rigging from, but possibly speedlining, is that what you were thinking?

 

[No_Bivy]

guy it off...climb.

 

[Porkbrick]

i agree with everyone. tie into the other maple, guy it off, and rig light.

 

[Widow Shooter]

Yeah, there are lots of bigger trees a bit behind it, in the bushline that I could guy it too.

should work out, I'll be sure to get pics done

 

[gf beranek]

Secure a tie-in in an adjacent tree and get-er done. Course pics do not ever do a situation justice.

 

[Bodean]

Sure, I'd climb it.

Sometimes as you unbalance the spin of the leaner it can roll off the main upright.
Just be ready to bail, or just guy it a couple ways like people are saying.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

TIP in the healthy tree. Guy it. Climb it.. Light rigging off itself and gin pole the rest of it off the good tree if you have help on the ropes. That way you can rig out larger trunk pieces after you are done with the tops. Be ready to kick off if she gets temperamental....

 

[Burnham]

I'm in agreement with the peanut gallery. If it was me, I'd love to be able to put a line high in the leaner and use a GRCS on other winching mechanism to load up a guy setup pretty heavy...but even without, tieing into the healthy one ought to leave you in good shape.

 

[Peter]

Looks possible.

I wouldn't make any firm decisions about guying etc until I was in the tree. Experience of these type of jobs in the past suggests to me that the leaner will start to sit up as you remove weight from the crown.

If you start cutting and it starts to sit down then stop and re-assess.

Can't see any problem with climbing and rigging as normal from the upright tree though, if the leaner was going to push it over it would have done it by now.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Sometimes as you unbalance the spin of the leaner it can roll off the main upright

Say WUT, nergo?

 

[pantheraba]

Thanks, MB...I wondered the same thing but not as colorfully as you.

 

[Peter]

If you removed one side of the crown of the hung up tree, it could roll out of the tree it was hung up on.

Just like taking down a hung up tree by rolling it out with a cant hook.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Ah. That thing ain't rolling nowhere. The root ball ain't that compromised.

 

[Al Smith]

For that matter you can upright them sometimes even if the roots are partly blown .Fact being I had pics on here a year or so ago about guying off a 70 foot pine and then tossed it once it was straight . Every situation is different though .

 

[Jed]

With regard to questionable trees, I'm a huge proponent of just starting up into the tree. You can really feel a lot just by throwing your weight around. All of a sudden, you're up high enough to start taking a small bit of weight off. What does the tree do? Take off some more. How's it goin? It's amazing how much confidence a climber will gain if he's simply able to take a good bit of weight off the bad side, and it lets you make a much more informed decision about what to do.

Of course, this only applies in moderately questionable trees.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Yep. Let the tree talk to you and listen to your inner voice.

 

[emr]

I must be the only Sally here but I would take a pass on that tree. I would do it if I could tie into a neighboring tree but I would still want to bomb everything out. There ate plenty of non-tipping over trees out there that I don't have to mess with sketchy trees like that. Best of luck Cary and be safe.

 

[Burnham]

With regard to questionable trees, I'm a huge proponent of just starting up into the tree. You can really feel a lot just by throwing your weight around. All of a sudden, you're up high enough to start taking a small bit of weight off. What does the tree do? Take off some more. How's it goin? It's amazing how much confidence a climber will gain if he's simply able to take a good bit of weight off the bad side, and it lets you make a much more informed decision about what to do.

Of course, this only applies in moderately questionable trees.

Good advice. Really good.

Just so long as you don't let ego rear it's ugly head and keep you from bailing once you've started.

I've let myself make that mistake in a felling situation. I like to think I've learned my lesson, but let me assure you, it can be really hard for people like us who do this type of work to pull the plug and back down once we've started forward.

 

[SkwerI]

You got that right, B. I bailed on a bad tree yesterday and still feel like a coward over it.

 

[Old Monkey]

From the pictures, I think I'd give it a go. I have an ugly tree coming up in a few weeks and I may go out and set a line in it the weekend before to inspect it and see if it really is workable before I get a whole crew to the job site. I don't worry about chickening out on trees or feeling cowardly. I do feel bad for the customer and worry about who'll do the job if I say no.