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Jeff, I'm not playing dumb, I found out first hand that for wedging over trees it sucks to have the back cut lower than the apex. Sucks with a half-life.

Are they your competitor? If so I'd just watch unless someone was fixing to get hurt. In that case the proper protocol is to pull out the camera and put the vid on You Tube. I helped my neighbor yesterday, gave him pointers along the way. I'd tell the other dudes that I've found it's easier...