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best taper for bluemoon and beeline 10mm

jtrouse

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ok now ive read yales instructions and used a 4,4,5 taper and repeat, so is that what works best for this rope construction??
or what have you used on 24 strand???

it would be good to get some replys on this just interested.
 

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Jim, Jamie said the right answer. Following the manufacturers directions is the answer. Have you done other double braid splices on easier to splice lines like Double Esterlon, Sta Set, or Stable Braid? These lines have a softer weave and come together easier, though they still present some challenge.

What I'm getting at here is that your difficulty might not be coming from the taper pattern. It is coming from one of two other things. There is a slight chance that the spool of rope your beeline came from was woven a little tighter at the factory and therefore is harder to splice. This is less likely, but the companies are always tweaking the rope recipes, so it is possible.

The other option I can see is that you haven't got all the nuances of double braid rope down, so when you get to beeline (which is a harder to splice rope as it is...compared to regular double braid) it sorta locks up on you. The quick bullet points i can share are:

1- Stitch the crossover together to shrink it a little
2- Keep tension on the eye while running it home. Especially keep tension on the crossover side
3- Before the burying gets difficult...BEFORE that point, stop burying and firmly bend and massage the rope and it's stiffest point. This brings up slack from further down the rope and puts it where you need it. Do this for a good 2 or 3 minutes. Bend sharply.
4- I rarely do this one, but a mallet can be used to soften up the hard parts
5- In extreme cases you might have to apply some Astroglide to allow things to move better. No joke. I only do this one maybe once or twice a year
6- Put a large fid in the eye to give you something to hold onto
7- Pull with one hand, milk with the other...at the same time
8- On that last inch of the bury switch from pulling and milking to just simply shock loading the splice (by hand)
9- I don't think pulley setups are ever necessary to bury a splice, but some people use them with success
10- Heavier people are better at the running home part of the double braid splice. I'm not very heavy, so there is less heft on the line. I've found that 2 people working together, one pulling, one milking, can bury even the toughest double braid splices.

Other than that, make sure your measurements are all lined up right.

Bluemoon (aka Poison Ivy, aka 11.7mm Blaze) is even harder to splice.

I'm sure there are a ton of other tips and pointers that I'm forgetting. This is just what I thought of sitting here.

Let us know the specifics problems you are facing and we can help you address those issues. Post up lots of pics and have fun!

love
nick
 

jtrouse

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Jim, Jamie said the right answer. Following the manufacturers directions is the answer. Have you done other double braid splices on easier to splice lines like Double Esterlon, Sta Set, or Stable Braid? These lines have a softer weave and come together easier, though they still present some challenge.

What I'm getting at here is that your difficulty might not be coming from the taper pattern. It is coming from one of two other things. There is a slight chance that the spool of rope your beeline came from was woven a little tighter at the factory and therefore is harder to splice. This is less likely, but the companies are always tweaking the rope recipes, so it is possible.

The other option I can see is that you haven't got all the nuances of double braid rope down, so when you get to beeline (which is a harder to splice rope as it is...compared to regular double braid) it sorta locks up on you. The quick bullet points i can share are:

1- Stitch the crossover together to shrink it a little
2- Keep tension on the eye while running it home. Especially keep tension on the crossover side
3- Before the burying gets difficult...BEFORE that point, stop burying and firmly bend and massage the rope and it's stiffest point. This brings up slack from further down the rope and puts it where you need it. Do this for a good 2 or 3 minutes. Bend sharply.
4- I rarely do this one, but a mallet can be used to soften up the hard parts
5- In extreme cases you might have to apply some Astroglide to allow things to move better. No joke. I only do this one maybe once or twice a year
6- Put a large fid in the eye to give you something to hold onto
7- Pull with one hand, milk with the other...at the same time
8- On that last inch of the bury switch from pulling and milking to just simply shock loading the splice (by hand)
9- I don't think pulley setups are ever necessary to bury a splice, but some people use them with success
10- Heavier people are better at the running home part of the double braid splice. I'm not very heavy, so there is less heft on the line. I've found that 2 people working together, one pulling, one milking, can bury even the toughest double braid splices.

Other than that, make sure your measurements are all lined up right.

Bluemoon (aka Poison Ivy, aka 11.7mm Blaze) is even harder to splice.

I'm sure there are a ton of other tips and pointers that I'm forgetting. This is just what I thought of sitting here.

Let us know the specifics problems you are facing and we can help you address those issues. Post up lots of pics and have fun!

love
nick
ok ive been doing as described above except for stitching the cross over point so ill try that next time i do one, could i start the taper sooner rather than after 8 strands? so say count 6 strands mark the rope around completly then do the taper. just a thought but dont wanna change things too much, ive had no worries with other double braids just these two, ill get some pictures posted up on the weekend.
 

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The main problem i am having is the tightness near the throat of the eye, where it gets lock stitched, ive seen the sherill ones and they are no where near as tight so im trying to work out what im doing wrong.
 

NickfromWI

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Might be worth taking a sherrill one apart.

Have you asked Sherrill? They might be able to tell you exactly the info you're looking for.

love
nick
 
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