Another Beeline Thread

[jamie]

While in the shower (clothed so there are no bad mental images :what i was thinking about Beeline Eyes. I tried a core to core splice that i have the directions for in Brion Tosses 'The Complete Riggers Apprentice'
and Barara Merrys ' The Splicing Handbook'.
Below is a sorta step by step montage of what i did, sorry its a bit out of focus.
General gist is that the vectran core passes through the eye and is buried back down the rope with no locking features, just double the usual bury.
I lockstitched the excess cover onto the side of the throat of the splice then whiplocked it down to help stop the excess cover from fraying.

Side by side these are 2 of my beeline eyes, both are snug against a carabiner. the exposed eye needs to be dipped.

My only slight concern is the slight bit of core exposed just as the core re-enters the rope. I tried to bury as much as i could but the cover milked just a wee bit. I'm not overly concerned as the cover is still just for protection.

The whiplocking aint perfectly symetrical but its well stitched.

Any comments?

Jamie

 

[NickfromWI]

Not bad!

I'm currently working on measurements that will allow us to bury all the cover in the core-to-core splice for beeline. It looks like the measurements will vary from rope to rope, but it is VERY possible with this rope.

There is a variation that allows you to do a locking brummell in this setup, to allow for shorter buries, which appeals to us tree folk!

How long is that whipping? Looks shorter than what I typically do, but that's good.

Keep those lines from twisting on those frapping turns!

love
nick

 

[jtrouse]

covered eye on beeline

hey nick wondered how id do a covered beeline eye for footlock loop and also eye to eye slings?

 

[NickfromWI]

FWIW, Yale recommends exposed eyes for Yale. You don't NEED to cover it.

If you do want to cover it, mark both sides of the eye, pull the core out of BOTH sides, do the locks and bury, then rebury the now spliced tail back into the rope. You will have a tail of cover hanging out. Taper that, then bury it into the splice.

love
nick

 

[jtrouse]

wondered how many brummel locks i should do for beeline 8mm. i had a go at it and did four and then buried the tail and found it was very fat. how should the taper be done and how many locks is safe enough?? thanks

 

[NickfromWI]

Do 2 locks, as per yale cordage' recommendation. The tail should be 6" if I remember right.

love
nick

 

[jtrouse]

Righto sweet. What length do you start with for a french prusik setup as and how much of the core do you pull out and to splice with?
With the bury how should i taper it??

 

[NickfromWI]

I think I add 14" to my desired finished length, pulling 6 or 7 inches to taper, starting the taper about 2" down the tail.

This is from memory. It'd be best to get the directions straight from yale.

love
nick

 

[Wagnaw]

Hello... I know this is an old thread, but I was wondering what you all use to dip the spliced eyes in to keep the eye from picking. And, where can you get it? I've spliced a bunch of beeline and HRC, but I want to dip the eyes to protect them from picking... I'm sure you all know...

I'm pretty proud of the ones I've done so far. I even took some shrink wrap tubes from my Cobra kit to cover the wipping. I'll put some pics up when I'm done.

 

[treetrash]

I use Maxi Jacket from APS. http://http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d282000/e280125.asp

 

[Wagnaw]

Thanks.

However, I just checked that site and it says that it is discontinued.

 

[treesandsurf]

This is what I use. Got it from a local West Marine store here in Honolulu.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wc...&storeNum=175&subdeptNum=10900&classNum=10900

jp

 

[treesandsurf]

Not bad!


Keep those lines from twisting on those frapping turns!

love
nick

I've heard you emphasize not crossing the frapping turns before, Nick. Was wondering your reasoning behind this (other than aesthetics)?

jp

 

[treesandsurf]

These are some beeline splices I just did for a friend. Criticisms welcome!



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jp

 

[treetrash]

That's too bad they no longer offer the pint size. I like the Maxi Jacket because it seems to saturate the rope more the the liquid whipping. Nick should have another source. I think that is the stuff he uses. Nick?

 

[Blinky]

Nick told me3 you can get it here but it's not on their website, you have to call.

 

[rumination]

Jon, that might be a couple more brummels than you need.

 

[treesandsurf]

Yeah, the core on the right (without the cover) has 4 brummels but the two eye-n-eye cords I only did 3 brummels on each end.

jp

 

[lumberjack]

A locking brummel followed by a stitched brummel? (Not just 3 stitched, right?)

 

[NickfromWI]

Two locks, then bury...that's all you need.

Sail supply in San Diego has Maxijacket, but not in the pint-size. You have to buy a quart...or maybe a gallon!

The Dip-it stuff is fine...thought I'm concerned that it wasn't designed to use on rope in tension. I wonder if it potentially could ruin the rope? The chemicals in that stuff are very harsh. haven't used the west marine branded stuff. I don't know if they are using a different formula.

love
nick

 

[treesandsurf]

A locking brummel followed by a stitched brummel? (Not just 3 stitched, right?)

Nope, all 3 locked brummels. I use the method that Brion Toss published in a 2001 Sailing magazine; Nick posted the illustration for it... I'll try and find it when I get back to mi casa and re-post.

jp

 

[treesandsurf]

Nick, what is the typical bury length you use on this splice?

jp

 

[NickfromWI]

Yale recommends 6". On my own (for me) I shorten that considerably and I'm guessing it's cool. I'm getting some with short tails broken and might soon be able to encourage Yale to update/shorten their directions.

love
nick

 

[Wagnaw]

The Dip-it stuff is fine...thought I'm concerned that it wasn't designed to use on rope in tension. I wonder if it potentially could ruin the rope? The chemicals in that stuff are very harsh. haven't used the west marine branded stuff. I don't know if they are using a different formula.

love
nick

Yeah, I want to make sure that whatever I get isn't degrading to the strength of the rope. I mean.... it my arse. Literally.

 

[NickfromWI]

I wonder if everyone would be interested in going in on a gallon of maxijacket? It might not be worth it financially to have me pick up a gallon, plus maybe 6 containers to ship it in, then ship it out to you guys...

Just a thought. Might be worth talking about.

love
nick