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You make a good point, Dave. What occurs to me, and why I posted about the viability of a crane for daily use, is that a crane adds to the costs of a job, thus the outfit would be giving a higher estimate than say one that would do the work without it, albeit a job that might take a bit longer...

Crane operation seems a pretty highly skilled activity when dealing with non-static loads. I think Erik also mentioned that. Do tree guys really want to take that on themselves? Lesser skill required when nobody is up in the tree. The crane guy got on my case yesterday for not taking a wrap...

Probably right, Cory, the basic maintenance costs aren't so high, but when something breaks.... On the one at our jobs, I know they wanted over $2000 to repair the spring gizmo on the take up reel for the computer sensor wire...speaking of which, the day before yesterday, the wire got caught...

Every day a tree job that requires a crane....wow! Crane maintenance costs could get pretty high. A widget for those costs some dough, at least over here. Of course if you were getting payed for using it every day, it wouldn't much matter.

Wonder what the operator does on days when there is no need for a crane? I could see the crane hired out working at other tree work outfit's jobs, or any other job where a crane is needed, if the liability was covered.

In our case it's the crane operator that owns a tree company, instead of the reverse. We are all independent, he just brings us together for jobs and carries the insurance. Almost all procedures are followed by memory, I haven't seen a new face in years.

The signaler having to go back and forth is much more a rarity. I can only recall one job where that would have been the case, but probably there were a couple more. I think we passed the signal between two guy on that job.

I have done a number of jobs where the crane operator doesn't have a view of the activity in the tree do to a structure, and if you add in brush from other trees being in the way, a lot of jobs..why just yesterday..... When another person is being the"eyes" as we call it, I don't think that it...

Wondering if the climber was working while being attached to the ball, like a rotten tree and he used his lanyard for positioning or something? As MB said, when attached to both the tree and crane tends to be pretty brief. A terrible thing.

It seems like one big advantage of a crane with operator is controlling with exactitude how much lift you can put on a pick. The computer gives a reading that tells how much you have set. It also tells what you have available given the reach and boom angle.

Those too, where the operator needs a good imagination.

You guys ever see your operators yawning? It can get pretty comfortable in the cab with the air con or heater on.

Right, Deva, I thought someone might catch the attention interruption thing. I should have explained the justification, having to give the sign that it's about time to take a break. :D

I mean that my experience when working on the ground when there is a climber above, and observing the operators, three operators in particular that I have a good deal of experience with, is that they rarely if ever take their eyes off the climber. It can be quite hard to get their attention for...

A crane operator shouldn't take his eyes off the climber unless lowering the pic. The good operators due that by habit. Unfortunately, a few don't follow the rule.

Guilt might be the better way to look at it, as opposed to avoiding some other possible consequences. In any event, a very terrible deal.

You used to see that kind of thing happening fairly regularly here, and sometimes still today, people taking responsibility for some injury or death causing accident, then killing themselves. I recall a bus accident where the driver was going too fast and slipped at a curve. Along with the...

The crane operator did indeed hang himself as well? What a dark event....

Damn, another fatality.