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All good! . Some old pix for Robert's stash(more from my present vectorized drawing era!): . Siting by stick trick or 45 degree geometry of roofers square or rake trick . gun sighting direction notes i always list with fall length . Theory of why i say see bypass horizontal across fiber grain...

Not quite my earliest drawings, but still some pretty ruff, from 90's mostly: mytreelessons.com/Drawings Archive-Dutchmans.htm . After Y2K playing with Flash(would have to enable in browser): mytreelessons.com/Dutch Push in 1 side of Face.htm . i think of kerf dutchman as earliest close in that...

Seen this , never indulged. . Some terms get blurred and regional, especially on Dutchman i think. . i think of Dutchman as simply an early close in face by kerf full face or just to push side (to offset lean or try clear obstacle) or tiered faces of block raise on push side or cut step down to...