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thanks Bermy! thanks again Sean. ha, Kyle, what's wrong with Apple? .... ha, I had an iphone 4, then got a Galaxy s5 (4 years ago?).... now want to upgrade and want the "uniformity" of apple... e.g. iphone 6 maybe.

when hand filing do you just sort of estimate the 10% of the file above the top plate? .... this seems one of the more difficult concepts/skills to me.

ha, Sean, you are full of ideas, always helpful. (I think my Galaxy S5 is around 4 or 5 y.o............ trying to justify getting an Apple iPhone, version 6 on up for the improved camera) Gary... correction... mine is 2x So is it just the top plate that you care about getting the edge with no...

Thanks all. I have one of those in my shop, Gary ... I think it's 1.5x (no built in light). They have 2x and 3x reading glasses now for about $1 ... may try them.

Thanks Sean, yeah, I've looked at that a lot..... need to go back and see what makes sense to me NOW after a little more experience. .... yeah, the lighted magnifyer... I have one like that in my office hooked to my desk... need to get one for the shop. Thanks a lot Marc... I think I can relate...

Thanks a lot, All. Nutball, I've used the "standard" filing guides... then I thought the (e.g.) Stihl 2-in-1 file guides were perfect... then as it finally dawned on me and (as Jonny said/implied), one can get a lot sharper chain by hand filing without a guide ----------- i wonder if you filed...

:thumbup: Butch, when you say a bright light.... what exactly are you looking at/for? how long approx should a file last? ...i.e. how do you know it's too dull? what about knowing how much to take off the depth gauges?

Thanks Stig and Nutball! Safety is definitely what I try to keep in the forefront all the time. Do y'all (or anyone) have any guidance on hand filing? .... Burnham said something in a thread that stuck with me regarding hand filing... something to the effect... ".... but the more I did it...

thanks Nutball. So is the difference on the rims that they are 8 tooth instead of 7? .... if so, are 8 tooth rims interchangeable with a 7 tooth sprocket that came with the saw? (not sure what I have on there now). and if so.... what is the benefit of 8 tooth rim vs. 7? thanks!

Thanks all! Didn't think about the hydraulic benefits as y'all have observed... except my friend did point out that it was all run by hydraulics --- i.e the only thing the engine part does is pump hydraulic fluid.... because it did stall out from time to time. Thanks Nutball.... Are those...

=> Cut a couple of ~4' stumps Saturday. => Had first try at using a stump grinder -- I think I'm an expert now. => Had first serious/confident attempt at hand filing the 25" chain on my ms461. (why didn't you just put this in the "What did you do today?" thread ? .... I was hoping I'd get...