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that's true, but if you have a big shot and are good with it, and you are more accurate and get better height than throwing by hand, is it still important to master the hand throw? if you are proficient enough to set a line quickly by hand when needed on easier trees, and are sure to use the...

pulling tip of the bar during a plunge cut for sure... maybe a super sharp chain on a worked saw, but still no more or less pull tha when cutting top to bottom or horizontally, where gravity is helping or neutral

the last part about whichever you learn second may seem harder, but it's obvious to me that the way I cut the open face is far easier to learn and master than the Humboldt. it would be fun to have put that teaching up against someone who teaches the Humboldt on 10 new students, split equally...

leverage of the bar length is a factor, as is the fact that the upward moving bar is pushing into wood while the downward facing power head is fighting only air...

There are a lot of reasons to use a Humboldt, that are mostly applicable in logging and forest scenarios. In suburban falling work, most of those reasons do not come into play (unless taking big tops). There are also advantages the open face or traditional have over the Humboldt, which make it...