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You hardly use them any more because ???

The whole idea is to bring up discussion.

A cop that reports that there were never any cases of perp abuse will have a well documented history of that. Burn, I do not mean to ram horns with you, but you've got to be f***ing joking me if you want me to believe that since there are no gov't. documented cases of screw gate failure, then...

You're right. But I can tell you that I did receive some training by a very reputable climber (who shall remain anonymous) and during the demonstration of fall protection caught his own mistake of a screw gate carabiner being all the way loose instead of tightened. If a seasoned climber can...

I'd have to agree, Ax. 'Cept for the fact that I've never felt comfortable with the screw gate. Even for odd uses, there have been so many times when I thought the gate was screwed tight when it was actually the exact opposite. I just don't trust it... More to the point, I don't trust myself.

...Revisited. Are they of any use at all in our industry ? Anybody want a free one ? PM me & pay the postage, I'll gladly have it out of my world. Brand spanking new & a twenty dollar bill flushed.