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True Burnham, but trees [fiber] here on most of our logging strips grows as thick as the hair on a dog's back, making high yield per acre. But as I said flush to the ground stumps makes the way for skidding and forwarding equipment .

The way I see it is full wrap is dependent on long bar sizes over 24". Pros who run 18-20" bars aren't going to bother with full wrap handles. Shorter the bar ,smaller the diameter timber produces stumps lower to the ground.

Back chaining never was an issue here, mind you average b/c here is 18"-20"which doesn't put a whole lot of strain on the operator. But even with the 24" pros here know enough not to lower the drags too much. Here on the plains try cut a 10" or 12" high stump in 12" diameter wood and you'll...

Yes you don't want to go tumbling ass over tea kettle down a mountain slope:lol: Here on the plains backchaining is accepted and a real timer saver, also safer with less time at the stump. I think with the issue in B.C. is the majority of logging at one time was high stump and ease of...

I remember when the 084 first came out in 1984, I thought it looked like a freight train compared to my 034.:D

I guess I didn't explain "bucking" already delimbed tree length at the landing or mill yard with a large displacement saw. In our neck of the woods and many others........with a smaller displacement saw timber is felled, limbed and topped in the bush where the tree falls [better regeneration...

Stihl did the market research, very few 084 's are sold with a wrap handle for falling purposes. Non wrap used for bucking, milling and stumping applications. Wraps are definitely an option though, but just an option.