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When I spin up some loops, they go straight to the grinder, then get a couple or 3 bumps on the depth gauges. "new" chain is dull, imo. I run chisel, and if a guy looks at the factory grind, one will see the corners high, low and sometimes right on.

Same here. Except the only chain I hand file anymore is for the tophandle rigs. I stopped hand filing the big saws a while ago. The best stack of Hunski's a guy can spend is for a square grinder. You see the payoff in just a few weeks. Guys need gloves just to grab a spare chain out if the...

:lol::lol: Aw, you're killing me. I know lots of great climbers who can't sharpen a saw for shit. Hell probably the reason a couple of them are so damn good at moving in a tree, the only way they could make up for a dull saw.