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Leadership?? Seems like it all boils down to diffusion of responsibility and the fact that none of us is as dumb as all of us. Challenging? Yes, Frustrating? Yes, but so is dealing with piss tank groundies that pick up sticks for beer money.

I hear you with the fitness part but rarely are blue collar workers the poster children for fitness. It is what you make of it. For me it takes a conscious decision to be active.

Asking Brian questions he can't answer = baiting :? Nah, merely trying to figure what you meant. If you meant that working behind a desk isn't working? Just curious. Far more risk/reward behind a desk than up a tree. Shoot, I dig it when I can get behind a desk like today. Sheesh, in the...

Are you saying that desk jobs aren't real work or that this person wasn't really working at their desk? What is a tree climber or any person's time worth? What is time to a hog? At the end of the day, it is cutting trees, not brain surgery. Most trees will still be there in 100yrs in spite...