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My discussion stemmed from Burnham's cautioning me about girth hitching my friction saver!

Okay, I think I understand you. It's not a girth hitch (by definition) because it doesn't run through itself? A different piece of cordage runs through the loop? I just sorta generalize them as girth hitches as that's what they appear to be, in that on (or two) legs pass through a formed eye or...

If your loopie is rated at 5500#, and in girth configuration will break at around 5500#, where is the 50% to 60% loss? And not to argue, but if these do not use a girth hitch, how do they attach to the tree? You can see the girth in the pics.....and the OP Pulley Saver uses some rather small...

What about a Rope Guide? Does it not girth hitch the pulley through the ring (or eye)? And does the rule you cited ("A girth hitch cuts the rated breaking strength of cordage (as any knot does), but specifically to the girth to the tune of about 50%") apply to all girth hitches, or specifically...

I don't understand, B. How can it be any weaker than the FS in single mode? I know it won't be any stronger, but fail to see how it's any weaker. Just to clarify....I don't mean one end through the other. I mean literally girth hitching the FS around the stem, both ends back through the loop...

I have used an Icetail eye-2-eye to make an adjustable out of mine before. When I'm working a takedown where I'll have to go back up anyway, I simply girth hitch the friction saver around the stem.

Looks interesting. I'm just getting to where I use a friction saver regularly. I spliced up several ring-and-rings with 3-strand, and I love them. I can see where the pulley would yield even less friction, but I'm satisfied for now with R&Rs. It sure beats natural crotching, as well as being...