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I learned 2 under, one over on manila...circa 1971 or so...we never used a stopper knot on the tail, never heard of one...never had the knot roll out either...guess the manila not being so slick prevented that. Sometimes I did use 2 under, 2 over with synthetic rope when I quit using manila.

You posted this info sometime last year, too, Burnham. I've used it ever since. I wear a rockclimbing daisy chain bandoleer style...use it to hold biners, phone, med pack, etc. I clip a biner at chest level like you say and flake away, works great. I used to attach the bag to my belt and...

Brendon, yours makes sense...it had to be "quote".

I agree on others coiling my ropes...it makes me nuts...they'll often make these twisted, figure 8'd coils and then lay it down for me to finish off. I just backfeed it and recoil. Unless it's my father...then I take it home where he doesn't see me undo his handiwork. I only coil rigging...

I assumed: how do you fook up a question am I close?