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Yea, I think I'm gonna split it between the paddle and the black diamond. Good reports from both, and I think the different sizes will be useful. BTW, why is it called a paddle biner? I've been aware of them since my whitewater days, and assumed it was called that cause the gate was big enough...

I'm anti China regardless. I don't trust them, and they make too much of our stuff. Taiwan is ok I guess. Not really sure what they're up to. They used to have a good reputation for welding, but you don't really hear too much about them anymore. I trust European standards and governing bodies...

Made in Taiwan, but that looks like a nice set. Maybe I'm being too particular about country of origin :^/ edit: Same site, I found these from DMM...

Per the title. Just got the new wesspur catalog, and they now have the pirate in a push up configuration(CAR134-U). Thought some of you might be interested. Since I wasn't sure this deserved it's own thread, I'll add a question. Who makes a good inexpensive rated, but non locking biner from a...