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Along those lines (not sure if this was mentioned above), back in the free climbing days, I climbed a big, corkscrewing, nasty cherry, got to the top and hadn't brought the climb line:whine::whine::whine::|::O

interesting trick, but what if you are knocking off chunks without using a pull line? Friction savers are one obvious answer. I use them sometimes but more often I'll use a stub, fwiw.

I just bought a RW last week from Wesspur, haven't used it yet but psyched to do so. That was a pretty convincing review from Reg. (Too bad he doesnt' post here!)

"Redwood Curtain," gotta love it.