Eric, did you watch this already?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udvQRcXDcSY
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With a cinched tie in retrievability is the issue. Whether you use a separate line or the 'dead' of the climbing line, any redirect that doesnt follow the 'retrieval' side creates a lot of friction. The friction of cinching with a knot, added to friction from redirects can make retrieval either...
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