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I understand that logic. Yeah, we have the eastern red cedar and arborvitaes along with other species which have flattened, holey, fan shaped leaves. Like a mix between a traditional leaf and a needle I suppose. The food factories being called leaves between all species makes sense.

I’ve just learned that some folk call softwood needles, “leaves”. I understand that have the same function as a traditional broadleaf but it seems odd, in my mind, to refer to them as a leaf. Maybe it’s a common thing that I’ve never payed attention to before? What do you left coast guys call em?