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John Henry, who challanged the steam pile driver to a battle. He won, but killed homself on the process

Not all ex softwood skidder guys are bitter. And agreed on the harvester / hardwood thing. They use them well for cutting small dia birch and suchlike for firewood, where it just wouldnt be economic to hand cut. But larger stuff is better hand cut. Particularly if youre cutting a valuable product.

You do realise you're coming across like an ass, right? I'm sure it's not intentional, as you seem like a nice guy. I've heard all the same comments from ex softwood skidder guys over here, all bitter because the machines took their jobs. I'd sure love to see you try and outperform that 'snail...

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Still not embedded butch.

Yeah, brashmat is a term in of itself. Watch this 1470 working in very small trees. Every scrap of lop and top goes under the machine, creating the 'brashmat'. Being Scotland, the ground will be swamp or bog. Hard to imagine manual labor outperforming this. <iframe width="640" height="360"...

A harvester lays the brashmat down as he cuts. It's all the lop and top goes straight under the machine. If you're not laying a brashmat you're doing it wrong. Are you saying that you were more productive hand cutting and skidding? Cause I'm not buying it...

Not sure what your trying to say Willard. Are you saying the timber is too small? In which case the mechanical cut to length operation is far better than cutters and skidders ever will be. Most of UK and scandinavian forests is on swamp and bog. The machines lay a brashmat and work year round.

Not buying it. In small timber a harvester will cut 200 cbm in an 8 hr shift. A forwarder can service 2 harvesters. One of the main reasons they cut smaller wood is sawmill optimisation. They get better product % and less wastage off smaller timber.

Skidding large hardwoods is all they're designed for. Anybody trying to skid out softwood stems would be commiting financial suicide considering what a Harvester / Forwarder combination can produce in a shift.

Camox used to be the French dealer for Timberjack, and built the winches and butt plate setups for loads of other imported skidders. When Timberjack were bought out and consolidated by John Deere, Camox started building their own Skidder.

Trust me Willard, I've got a lot of experience at cable skidding and yarding, and the European style winch setups are WAY better than the American style. I'll probably run a double winch with Butterflies and auto cable reels through the grapple frame. 7 cubic meters is not 30 tonnes either...

It's mostly short haul Cory. On the job Pete pictured, I think it's no more than a couple of hundred meters haul. I know it will be thirsty, but it should be productive too. A lot of the big tractors the Europeans are running on timber these days are 240hp+...

Fat buttress on that one. What do you reckon mid point dia is, say at 6m? 750mm?

Cummins is always top of my list for powerplants. On 20 meters of big poplar, it's going to need 200hp.

I think they all come with winches as standard. The Franklin is a higher spec, newer, and lower hours.