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Dave, thats Kgs, not lbs. X 2.2 for lbs conversion It was the manouverability of the thing that most impressed!

Have you seen these Dave? - http://www.norcar.com/norcar/miniloaders_en.html The spec and manoeuvrability is pretty awsome http://www.youtube.com/user/NorcarGroup <iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="640" height="390"...

It supposedly started for the Italians when Avant ran out of cash to pay their bills. They hit a real bad patch cashflow wise a while back - I know this was true cause they closed the UK dealership at the time. The other thing is that somehow, Stefano owned the rights to the machine design...

You could be right mate, I just know that Yanmar and Kubota are big rivals for many similar markets. convergent evolution perhaps? :D

Lots of rivalry between yanmar and kubota. I doubt they are the same machine. Yanmar is very good stuff though - my tiny loader has a 25hp yanmar diesel, and has masses of Oomph.

The MultiOne is the dogs bollocks. I went round the Italian foctory in '06. Their story is that they used to build the avant loaders for Avant, as Avant didnt have enough production facilities. My S23 is an awesome little machine