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I just love it when we can entice / lull / provoke Guy into conversation. His therapist told me it's good for him.

I genuinely like that idea, Darin. I once met an elderly couple who showed me a commode-type cupboard. "Cool", I said. They asked me to take a closer look >>> It was made of one piece of wood. By that, I mean it was carved from a single piece... no joints, no nuthin'. ONE PIECE. Friggin' awesome.

:smileycouncil: General consensus : Cut the damn tree down. (Do I get CEU's for this ?) jk The tree is in an island, & would be a fun pet project / experiment. Go for it on saving old boy.

All excellent points, Frans. But as arborists, we're responsible for just about anything to do with a customer's trees once we've been on their property. A general waiver might be a good idea for any / all transactions. A waiver for known 'grey' areas would atleast let a court of law know that...

The tree is ready to bust a gut... in fact should probably come down. Owners are 178 yrs. old >>> Doing drastic weight reduction might just let the 'folks' enjoy a few more years of seeing the tree ? Cabling & bracing might just do it ? I wouldn't be shy about weight reduction izzall.

I cannot disagree with this. :evil: There's some fuel for the fire ! Har !!! Seriously, let's thru-bolt it, cable it, shake chicken bones at it... but for gawd's sake don't do weight reduction ??? I kinda don't get it ?

What he said : ) The 'no targets' thing is a goodness. Maybe have your customer sign some sort of waiver ? What a beautiful tree !