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Why not set the rope with a throwline? :?

Excellent point, Dave. But I was referring to the majority of locals who all climb on spikes exclusively, usually with no shirt or glasses and no formal training. That's just the way most start out around here. It's how I started.

Good point, Dave. In my experience, it seems to be that climbers who started on spurs before learning how to climb spurless are most adept at using spurs. Most of those who began climbing spurless never seem to pick up on spur climbing.

Oh yeah. Butch is letting it slide a bit since you're new, but he'll come down on you soon enough. :P

Greg, here at the Treehouse we can usually disagree and discuss topics without resorting to personal attacks. Unless you're discussing politics or religion, that is. ;) No need to stay out of it. Speak your mind, it's all good.

22" is about right for 8mm cord. With 10mm cord I make mine about 24.5". Again, you want it as short as possible yet still able to release. If there's 3" of cord between your carabiner and the first cross of your VT then you might try shortening it a couple inches. oops, sorry for the derail...

Darin, if you can climb a tree where you are using a lifeline and a modern VT hitch is a 'waste of time', then you're doing it wrong. Sorry. I see so many people tying their VT hitches with an extra 6"-12" of cord between their hitch and the carabiner. By using such a long cord, you are losing...