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Of course not. Prices of everything wills up. Medical care will go up. Rent will go up. The poor will be making more, but will still be as poor as they are now. love nick

Ah - so that's the difference. I could pay a TON more if my crew was all subcontractors. love nick

Yup. Americans are too indifferent to revolt against anything. love nick

I disagree. My wife and I point this out a lot. Fast food is quite affordable and doesn't involve work. You also don't have to go to the grocery store, or worry about your produce rotting. love nick

None of us are assigned the job we do. And I think that's the difference here. I THINK if two years have gone by and you're still washing dishes, it's your fault. love nick

Me too love nick

Where are you guys from? love nick

No I wish! I was using a hypothetical situation starting with Bermy's saying a ground guy with chainsaw skills can make $30/hr in her parts of the world. I just did the math on what that would take for me to pay a crew with $30 ground guys. love nick

Bermy- are you using $USD? Just to make sure we're talking apples to apples... Also- are you just paying them straight cash? I could double everyone's income if there was no workers comp and payroll taxes social security etc etc etc. For me if I got ground guys making $30/hr and climbers...

I don't think anyone is arguing that. A tree job SHOULD START at $15 hr for a new ground guy. But what it should be and what it CAN be are 2 different things. love nick

They are not secret. I'd be happy to tell. But you're too hyper focussed on it and it has nothing to do with this conversation. You'll just be like, "oh well I would pay WAY more than that...." No one in my company starts at minimum wage and we are in the upper 5th percentile for pay scale...

lol. quite the opposite. I run my business on slim to non-existent profit margin because we put so much money into the crew. in 2014, 48% of all our expenses went to payroll. Profit margin was somewhere in the 3% range, depending on how you slice it. My first priority is doing what we can do...

Yes absolutely 100%. The ground guy will work twice as hard. I believe that a good ground guy is much more rare than finding someone who flips burgers well. So yeah. Same for the climber. A climber DOES deserve to make double a ground guy,for all the same reasons I stated above. I've argued...

I view a great ground guy is worth 2x minimum wage. So now the ground guy should be pulling $30/hr? And the top climber should be making $60/hr then? love nick

Seattle and LA have passed laws raising wages to $15/hr. Obviously every employee should love this. What do you business owners think about it? love nick