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Hat's off to yu Nick! A bit premature yet though to declare "mission accomplished" ain't it? Think more in Ent time! Yu young hasty whippersnapper! Jomo

I love the way you make two trees out of one to justify your sales pitch Nick. Nevertheless, as long as you were up front with the customer about the tree's prospects of survival? I've got no beef with you for trying to keep the tree alive for your client, who may be wealthy enough to gamble...

This is a prime example of the expedient sales techniques dragging our industry down guys. Even the friggin manufacturers of Tree Age specifically state that it's not to be used on trees infested over 50 percent! What's the very first post in this thread tell us? That the stone pine mortality...

So that's the rationale for injecting an infested tree too weak to push the chemical systemically upwards where Ips infestations start? More like providing the over wintering larvae a safe secure abode until spring comes and the infestation spreads to neighbors nearby! Jomo

The first post's about a 50 percent mortality rate along a street lined with stone pines, directly due to bark beetle infestations. You n Nick's support of injecting already infested trees says it all. Ain't you a little too old to doubt PhD pathologist's recs? How's tree ages' track record...

Maybe understanding the difference between protective and curative chemical applications for IPS beetle management? Do BCMA's recommend injectables as a curative for infested half dead conifers? http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5195928.pdf http://youtu.be/3dqvqJu9vZA...

Well grit your teeth real hard my friend and read this paying close attention to the insecticide portion. http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5384837.pdf You may not believe it Nick, but I'm trying to help you and your client, and the bees. Jomo

So you only want input from arbs who agree with you, who believe an injectable so can save an already infested tree? Where's your love for the bees bro? I'm the only arb suggesting removal's the wise course? Jomo

Your mistake is in trying to treat an already infested n half dead tree Nick. Those injectables are meant to be used on healthy trees to prevent infestations, not cure an already infested tree. From 2014 Circumstances for Effective Use of Insecticides Highly valued, uninfested host trees may...

I just attended a seminar given by our county plant pathologist Nick, and she assures me nothing's changed on the Ips beetle scene, you're just prolonging the inevitable, for profit. Don't feel lonely, there are lots of so called arborists doing exactly what you're doing. I just ain't one of...

But what do the experts with PhD's in plant pathology recommend Nick? http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7421.html The exact opposite of you? According to them leaving an infested tree rather than promptly removing it only exacerbates the problem in that area. Jomo

I suggest you re read your first post bro. Have you found a way to stop bark beetles your local county ag path lab doesn't know about? You're promising the moon for X amount of money, and can't deliver. You're taking a 2K removal and milking it for 3K, and creating a liability until that...

The point is a sincerely responsible arborist or doctor does what's best for the client, not his pocket. Akin to keeping a brain dead patient alive to milk the system. It's putting morals n ethics into your business conduct guys. Are you in SoCal guys? Do you realize how many beetle kill...

Guess what my next strategic beetle kill removal is Nick? Big dead stone pine over a big propane tank. Are you an arborist or a carnival barker my friend? Jomo

Go ahead Nick buddy, put it on life support, give it intravenous injections, string rubber bands in it, milk it bro, you'll be famous! Jomo

Put the poor bug riddled thing out of it's misery n sufferin already. Best for tree and client. Replant with a more bug resistant species. You're in SoCal, so a couple of Queen palms'll suffice! Jomo