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That's the thing.... We LIKE freaks who are engineered by God/nature/human-will like Jonny Pro (Jony Provenzale), but we dislike freaks engineered by men. https://youtu.be/FCVaDFJSfBc?t=104

Ahhh man.... :(

The sense in which I had used that expression Andre, was of course, tongue in cheek. I was being sarcastic. No man, you are not my enemy... quite the contrary: as a matter of fact, I tend to see political things much more through your lenses then through those of my redneck brethren.

Which, Jay, I can only speculate, is one of perhaps several reasons, explaining why you moved to Japan. What else is popular "American society," besides, "highly shallow, and utterly infatuated with meaninglessness"? All of Eastern Europe, and our old enemy Maximalist know this implicitly...

Which is why you started this thread? I think, if we're honest, we'll admit that we are fascinated with the pains/longings of another human being, because we all hurt and long. (Albeit, not in THAT way.) As to Butch's comment... I remember years ago now, he wrote something about...

I just want for everyone to imagine for one small fraction of a minute... the doctor... the scalpel... the absolute horror. The poor man lives out a maimed existence for the rest of his life.

You mean Ed accepting our recalcitrant attitudes?.... I'm guessing it won't happen.

Way to stay positive Jim.

O.k.... now you got me confused. Oh, wait... I already was. Edit! I didn't mean confused in THAT way!...... ahhhh! Poor guy!