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I think with work ethic you can always see the difference between someone who has been working for themselves and if they don't do it they don't get paid and someone who has only worked as a employee and they get a salary. In this job you can always tell unless you start someone young and they...

We are both in the UK quite close in england. So we have to convert before speaking money haha

That's some good wages there Peter as a climber in my last company I only just scraped that. There are not that many company's that stretch to that for grounds around here. Or do you just employ climbers?

We have a national minimum wage here and all it means when it gets raised is that some of the bosses that I know have just had more people working on minimum wage. But that is just the way it is here.