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This may sound contradictory, because I totally agree with Gerry that the Piranha could be made better, for the average limb jockey that uses such a device on occasion as opposed to industrially, the Piranha works very well. Like I said, a vast improvement over a standard 8. I use mine...

The voice of experience...now if only Petzel will listen. I don't understand the obsession with lightness when it comes at the expense of longevity, in this instance. You could double the metal and it would still be as light as a feather. Dave

I was wondering if any of you use the Pirana. I think it is a vast improvement over the standard 8 and though not as knarly as the 8 with cleats, the side hooks do work similarly. What really surprised me was the little black rubber do-hickey in the carabiner hole locks the carabiner solidly...