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Grendel do you mean palms when dudes are trapped under the dead fronds?? There was pretty full on car crash story in our papers a little while ago, 3 very close friends traveling on a remote rural road. The crash kills 2 of them and the driver then kills himself not being able to face the...

Definitely heartbreaking stuff. The correlation between underbidding and incidents is so strong in tree work, big part of the reason I resent those who try to beat down prices.