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With a two man crew its easy to cross that line where the volume or distance to move it is just bit too much... making a 10 hour day. 3 guys could have done it in 6 or so hours and then hit another job plus gone home fresher.

Hope it goes good with your son Willard, seems to work ok for the Mafia... We rake small piles and I cant fault it at all. A few strokes within a certain radius and then onto the next patch. Then pick up the piles on a trap and out the front it goes. I'd make the analogy that if its bad to make...

I don't mind raking, when your raking you know that there's no more dragging, standing in spurs waiting, lifting logs, hitting nails/resharpening etc. well, at least until the next day there isn't

Being worn out sucks.

^ Thanks Tim, All the other guys running a small business are in exactly the same situation, interestingly accurate analogy also. The quest for the Holy grail must continue:)

I don't like when the client pushes/offers to provide their own "groundies", just another way folks underestimate our business imo

Yep, I think its the sweet spot of the market- jobs that take 3 motivated dudes around 3-4 hours.

Recently on various jobs I've run as much as 2 climbers + 5 groundies, 1 climber + 5 groundies. But mostly its 2 or three guys total. Im experimenting with lifting my rates and running two crews where it seems low risk... Got a long term goal of doing 3 days onsite then 1 day sales, 1 day...

Ive found that with 2 guys we are still cleaning up when in all truth we should already be setting up at the next gig and then end up a doing a looong day. Its more to do with inaccurate estimating than anything else- two guys can do plenty but it may sometimes take a while.