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All of your supposition on the breaking strength of the biner loaded the way you propose is just that...supposition. You may be right, you may be wrong. If you want to know, you'd have to have it tested. It's your choice, obviously. I don't know any better than you do what it would break at...

It's the answers that are harder to come by :D.

Fair question, my friend :).

No, sir. You are misinformed. Sorry, not buying that one at all, Brocky. You say "The bar is trying to bent both sides of the carabiner when being used, not trying to force them apart." I say, EXACTLY! No carabiner is designed nor tested to take loading in that direction. Please understand...

First off, waaaay to much set back with a longlegged hitch like that. Second, and WAAAY more important...carabiners are not made to take loading in that direction, carabiner brake bars have long ago been proven hazardous. I'd advise against that, myself.

You make a good point, Sean. Dave and I are both on the little side of the scale, fwiw. But it takes next to nothing to ease or tighten the HH hitch, or add another wrap. Wet weather comes to mind, climber weight aside.

As I suspected. But agreed, definitely worth a try.

I'm sure you are correct, Brocky...but like many of us are wont to do with many of our climbing tools, your trials for better performance with the HH don't really need doing :). I'm with DMc...Paul's hitch works pretty darn well. But also like Dave...I'll probably play with yours, too :D. Thanks.