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But to my mind Stig, that takes away the whole point of the exercise, as best I can I see it anyway (worth wondering if my sight is anything like complete on that score, I'll readily admit), doesn't it? I mean, the whole point is to be able to stick a gaff whenever you find the need, right...

Oh Carl, the more is...I'm just skittish as hell about the risks of self gaffing when rope climbing wearing spurs. I have to admit this newish trend is not one I have tried, nor even seen used, but the several truly unpleasant self inflicted wounds I've witnessed, or seen documented, or been...

Be careful as hell, Carl. You've read my thoughts on this concept, no doubt.