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That is weird, Willie...your last post was made before mine, according to the time on the posts, but mine is in front of yours in the thread. You really are lost :D.

What I mean is the requirement for atv operators permits came from the boys and girls in Salem, not from the atv lobbyists.

Yup, new state law...eventually every atv rider will be required to have an operators permit...they are still working out the details of what that is, but basically it's going to require attendence to a training course. Farm and forestry use is exempt, as is use on your own property...

Oh, I'm just yankin' yer chain, Willie:). ASI's objective is to get new operators off on the right foot. Their training program would be largely useless to most experienced riders. I don't think ASI has pushed for state liscencing at all. And they cover the Tread Lightly concepts, in the...

Well, alrighty then :). Where in the constitution is the right to be stupid guaranteed :D?

Well, I for one would not be able to make a stong case that everyone out there currently driving a vehicle with 4x4 capability has even the slightest idea what they are doing, what they need to do differently driving one, what the weaknesses and strengths of a vehicle with that capability...

Sure enough, brother.

Heck, no. I never heard of this outfit a year ago either.

Guess i'm opening a few eyes...check it out if you wish. http://www.atvsafety.org/

Some what different skillset required for safe operation, Willie. :lol:

So I guess there are no Thousers who have crossed path's with this org. I'm somewhat surprised...anyone who purchased a new ATV here in the States in the last umpty ump years was eligible for a $100 cash incentive payment back from the manufacturer of their ATV if they took a no-cost-to-them...

Pretty much the same, bro. Get ready to pay.

That's gonna change for Oregon residents in 2009, as I understand it Willie. Every ATV operator will be required to take a training course if I have it right.

I just spent a week as a student instructor under a Chief Instructor in the ASI training program. I came away as a liscenced ASI Instructor. I'm curious if any of you have experience with ASI and either the operator training or instructor training programs. I'm happy to share my impressions...