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IMO they each serve their intended purpose well.

Never thought of that....:thumbup:

You mean that annoying sound it makes in the back seat as it clanks on some other hard object. And it never fails, it has to be repositioned at least twice a day, once on the way to work and once one the way home.

pack mushrooms and let the dog drink out of it too.

Yep, makes sense to me.

Thanks Muggs, I sat here and practiced my knot tying as you and James were tying them. I noticed you use a humbolt when topping and a conventional undercut when falling the stem. Is there a reason for that or is that just the way you do it?