MS200t.....off the market?

[No_Bivy]

One of the local dealers says they will be gone in the next year or so....I call BS. Anyone have the inside story? I know regs are making manuf. clean up emmissions, but I cant see stihl replacing this model.:/:

[brendonv]

I was reading a thread somewhere that mentioned this also. Going to have to stock up!

[No_Bivy]

really? I guess I'll buy a couple more:D

[brendonv]

I don't know the truth in it, but yes-someone else had mentioned it.

Can't remember where I read it though..

[fishhuntcutwood]

Yeah supposedly they're getting "rid" of all their models swapping them out for the new 441 engine design. Even the 361 is going away in favor of some other 60cc saw. So the 200T will be phased out, and there'll be another top handle to take it's place. At least that's been the word on the street for the last several months. I think by '09 they said most of the current line will be gone, 361, 660, 200T, etc...

[No_Bivy]

why do they want to fock up a good thing..........will the new one be better, or just a bunch of hype with better emmisions?

[Skwerl]

There is no market to make the saw better. The only incentive for change is the legal need to reduce emissions. If the saw has 30% less power and burns up in a year, then that's ok as long as the emissions meet standards. :roll:

[brendonv]

Damn...

Looks like I'll be buying a couple, few, 10 saws this year. :O

361 and 660 were on my list.

[sotc]

shoot, no doubt gonna buy some this year!

[squisher]

Hmm, anyone here anymore about this please keep us all updated with the saw gossip. If it's so I'll be stocking up myself.

[hornett22]

no manufacturer wants to "fock" up a good thing.this is all the EnvironmentalProstitutionAgency's doing.they require these lean running peices of garbage by 2010.

we all must suffer so the hollywood do gooders and Wash DCites can run around in their gas guzzling convoys and private jets.

don't you feel better now that you are compromising your life style so they don't have to compromise on theirs?

[MasterBlaster]

It would be funny if all this was a publicity stunt, everybody stocking up and whutnut...

[Stumper]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Mr. Sir]

It would be funny if all this was a publicity stunt, everybody stocking up and whutnut...

That's what I was thinking. A new marketing gimic to boost sales.

[GASoline71]

Kinda like when Husqvarna "discontinued" the 372XP... 5 times or so. :what:

Gary

[sotc]

except it would give a big boost over a quarter or 2 then drop harshly

[BostonBull]

When I was at Northeast Stihl last year, I asked he head of product development for Stihl-USA about this.
There will be new saws coming, soon. The 362, 661, 461, etc etc.

The 200T will be phased out but not until 2011 or so. This will be the last saw they mess with and will be sure it comes back better than it is now.

They will also be releasing a new climbing saw next year to compete with Shindaiwa, and Redmax new climbing saw. The entire saw will be small enough to fit in the "frame" of a 192T!!! It will be called the ultra light or something to that effect.

They did good with the 441, so hopefully they will do right with the new pro saws. They will also be testing the new electronic carbs, while Husky will have its fuel injected saws out by summer/fall.

[JIML]

I don't think they would put out a dud, they can't afford to really. If they put out a dud and it doesn't sell, they they don't make any money, and they are all about making money :D

[hornett22]

Kinda like when Husqvarna "discontinued" the 372XP... 5 times or so. :what:

Gary

will see what happens this time.the new 575xp better be a lot better than the last.the 372 is my favorite saw and i have considered loading up the attic with them.

i'm not trashing the manufacturers here.i love the ms200.it is an excellent saw and i have one.

the manufacturers are in a tough spot.the EPA isn't buying the saws,we are.ultimately we should be the ones they have to please.not a bunch of hypocrits.

i'm already hearing nightmares with the new choked out diesels engines for this year.i'm curious to see how this all pans out.

[Ax-Man]

When I was at Northeast Stihl last year, I asked he head of product development for Stihl-USA about this.
There will be new saws coming, soon. The 362, 661, 461, etc etc.

The 200T will be phased out but not until 2011 or so. This will be the last saw they mess with and will be sure it comes back better than it is now.

They will also be releasing a new climbing saw next year to compete with Shindaiwa, and Redmax new climbing saw. The entire saw will be small enough to fit in the "frame" of a 192T!!! It will be called the ultra light or something to that effect.

They did good with the 441, so hopefully they will do right with the new pro saws. They will also be testing the new electronic carbs, while Husky will have its fuel injected saws out by summer/fall.

Thanks, this is good to know or at least it sounds like it.

[sawinredneck]

Lakeside just said it's due by 2010, so it is going to happen for sure!!
That is about the best source I can give you.

[Frans]

Thanks Boston Bull, sounds like the straight deal from you.

[MasterBlaster]

This will be the last saw they mess with and will be sure it comes back better than it is now.

Say what? Isn't that an oxymoron sentence? :?

[xtremetrees]

I wonder if I'll ever run a fuel injected Husky. Holy smack down batman thats smoking!

[treetx]

we all must suffer so the hollywood do gooders and Wash DCites can run around in their gas guzzling convoys and private jets.

don't you feel better now that you are compromising your life style so they don't have to compromise on theirs?


You think they would actually pass a law that affected them?:X

[Koa Man]

I got 4 MS200Ts. One in use, 1 on the job spare, and 2 on the shelf. I think I'm covered until I fully retire in 5 years or so. The local Stihl dealer has the 361 with a 20 inch bar on sale for $534. Don't know if that is a good deal or not, I'm tempted to pick it up, but right now my 039 is running real strong.

[BostonBull]

I got 4 MS200Ts. One in use, 1 on the job spare, and 2 on the shelf. I think I'm covered until I fully retire in 5 years or so. The local Stihl dealer has the 361 with a 20 inch bar on sale for $534. Don't know if that is a good deal or not, I'm tempted to pick it up, but right now my 039 is running real strong.

I would say thats a good deal. Over here we sell that saw for $599.95 plus tax.

[fishhuntcutwood]

The local Stihl dealer has the 361 with a 20 inch bar on sale for $534. Don't know if that is a good deal or not, I'm tempted to pick it up, but right now my 039 is running real strong.

Yes it is! Have you ever run a 361? Day and night better next to a 361. They're only the same hp on paper. The 361 weighs less, has better power and is better on the hands. Go buy it!

[rumination]

The 361 is a really nice saw. I don't think you'd be at all disappointed with it Wesley.

[gf beranek]

When the word gets out about banning guns..... Sales soar.

[stehansen]

I'm looking forward to a fuel injected chainsaw. Way better than a carburator.

[wiley_p]

I'm curious how many of you 200 fans have purchased more than 3 of them in te last five years? I've bought over thirty, either for myself or crewmembers. This includes 6 that were still 020's. The 020's were problem free. ALL of the 200's were leaned out just this side of a seize. For 500-600 dollars thats bullshit. Now a 200 lists for 629.00 Thats quite a chunk of change for a saw that has been bypassed by technology in saw design, and the cutthroat pricks at Stihl USA chose to keep leaning a saw out to meet the EPA requirements instead of coming up with a new design.
Out of 30 odd 200's ONLY 6 saws ran good. The rest had hesitation on the transfer, high jet was way too lean, crank seals that go fast, etc.


All I can say is its about f%$@&$ time. :evil: A new top handle from Stihl I look forward to it.

[gf beranek]

Yeah, that sounds about right, Steve. No matter what I did the saw would hesitate when I needed it to act fast and trip a cut that was about to pull wood. Talk about the hesitation blues.

Great saw except for that. I wonder why one would and not the other?

[Al Smith]

Yeah, that sounds about right, Steve. No matter what I did the saw would hesitate when I needed it to act fast and trip a cut that was about to pull wood. Talk about the hesitation blues.

Great saw except for that. I wonder why one would and not the other? They had a bunch of junk Zama carbs on them.They developed cracks in the area around the diaphragm and sucked air.From what I gather Stihl never stood behind them because they are so called pro saws.

I've got one that was shipped to me from Australia that I analized and found the problem.Seemed funny because that carb had been rebuilt a number of times yet nobody saw the crack. Eagle eye Smith,at your service .:lol:

[hornett22]

I'm curious how many of you 200 fans have purchased more than 3 of them in te last five years? I've bought over thirty, either for myself or crewmembers. This includes 6 that were still 020's. The 020's were problem free. ALL of the 200's were leaned out just this side of a seize. For 500-600 dollars thats bullshit. Now a 200 lists for 629.00 Thats quite a chunk of change for a saw that has been bypassed by technology in saw design, and the cutthroat pricks at Stihl USA chose to keep leaning a saw out to meet the EPA requirements instead of coming up with a new design.
Out of 30 odd 200's ONLY 6 saws ran good. The rest had hesitation on the transfer, high jet was way too lean, crank seals that go fast, etc.


All I can say is its about f%$@&$ time. :evil: A new top handle from Stihl I look forward to it.

seems like the only way anything is going to meet the EPA standards is if it's running lean.no matter how modern or high tech,everything needs to be lean and choked out and running hot.government just needs to make themselves sound necessary.no one ever said their ideas worked.i can't think of one of their ideas that has worked in at least 50 years.i don't see a change in the near future.

[hornett22]

When the word gets out about banning guns..... Sales soar.

Los Angeles has a new plan.they say keep your guns,we'll ban ammo.they are working on banning reloading supplies.

hey Johnny,let's smoke some meth tonight.

Sorry i can't tonight,i have to reload a couple hundred rounds for the drive by that is scheduled for tomorrow.

the politicians are so smart.i'm glad they are there to protect me.:lol:

[Koa Man]

I'm curious how many of you 200 fans have purchased more than 3 of them in the last five years? ... The 020's were problem free. ALL of the 200's were leaned out just this side of a seize....
Out of 30 odd 200's ONLY 6 saws ran good. The rest had hesitation on the transfer, high jet was way too lean, crank seals that go fast, etc.



All of mine seems to run good, but I think the newest one is probably at least 4 years old [plus whatever time it was sitting in the dealer's stock room]. My everyday work saw is actually a 020T, but it has a pull starter case that says MS200T. The 200s are so expensive that most tree companies here [except for the owner/operator type companies] buy Echo's or 192s for the crew.

I have never run a 361, but you guys convinced me to go pick it up.

[Stumper]

I'm looking forward to a fuel injected chainsaw. Way better than a carburator.

Steve, I have one...but it isn't true fuel injection-it is looped throttle body injection for starting with normal carburation to run-Dolmar 120si. It is the cuttingest 68 cc saw I have ever run. In fact nothing under 80 ccs has ever come close and the big boys only get compettive in big wood. I don't know where all the gains come from but a bunch is supposedly linked to better airflow due to elimination of the choke butterfly.

[fishhuntcutwood]

I have never run a 361, but you guys convinced me to go pick it up.

Good! Muffler mod that thing and that's all it'll need.

[squisher]

EHP wood's mod doesn't hurt either ;). I'm really impressed with my 361 now.

[hornett22]

i had my carb changed as well but it was sucking air throught the crank seals.guy that worked on it had the carb so he through it on.he also replaced my coil.seems the plug wire was arching out on the oil pump and it burnt up the aluminum pretty good.i still love the saw and it's worth fixing all day.i bought the saw used of ebay and it had all these issues.i trade out some tree work for the repairs.if it was money out of pocket,even for just the parts and me doing the labor,i think it would have been cheaper to buy the saw new.i've gotten some good prices from a couple dealers so i may pick up another real soon.

[TC3]

If I were the maker of the 200T, I would wait 5 yrs. then put out notice (unofficially) that I was taking it off the market.

[stehansen]

Steve, I have one...but it isn't true fuel injection-it is looped throttle body injection for starting with normal carburation to run-Dolmar 120si. It is the cuttingest 68 cc saw I have ever run. In fact nothing under 80 ccs has ever come close and the big boys only get compettive in big wood. I don't know where all the gains come from but a bunch is supposedly linked to better airflow due to elimination of the choke butterfly.

Fuel injection made huge difference in the performance of cars. I had a 1978 chevy pickup with a 350 which got 12 mpg and had 180 hp, my next pickup was a 1989 chevy with the same motor and throttle body injection, 220 hp and 15 mpg.

[No_Bivy]

Anyone use one of these before?

[MasterBlaster]

No, but I want one. I think it would be a great ground saw... maybe even good for climbing.

[No_Bivy]

thats what I was thinking...nice and light

[JIML]

Ive got one.

It is a good ground saw. 16" b/c on it. If your going to climb with it I would just soon have a top handle... If i need a bigger saw then give me something bigger.

Sadly i never use it, smallest saw I like to use on the ground is a 440/460. too much bending over with the little saws.

I think Ill go out and start mine today, haven't started it in several months.

[MasterBlaster]

Sadly i never use it, smallest saw I like to use on the ground is a 440/460. too much bending over with the little saws.

True, but I'm thinking more like a good saw for a groundie to grab for a couple quick cuts. If I had a lotta limbing to do I'd like a longer bar, too.

[OTGBOSTON]

No, but I want one. I think it would be a great ground saw... maybe even good for climbing.


I've been climbing with a 341 because my 200 is in the shop. It is kind of a pain in the b@!!s to use a reg. saw in a tree. I can't wait for that 200 to come home...........

[brendonv]

Anyone use one of these before?

Looks neat. But for the money, why not buy a more powerful saw.

I use a stihl 017, it's practically a throw away saw at around $180. Uses the same chain as the 200, and keeps my groundy from trashing the big saw.

[squisher]

I'll say it again 361 open it up and hang on. It's really quick I ain't into timing my cuts and stuff but I'd put mine up against a stock 460 any day of the week(and I have 2 of them) and it feels so light in the hands.

[Skwerl]

I'm sorry Squishey but it sounds terminal. You've been bitten by the 'modified saw' bug and there's no turning back now. You will never again be satisfied with a stock chainsaw.
:P :lol:

[squisher]

I agree, don't even get me started going on about my 660.:D

[sotc]

dang just might have to do that one day!
on topic id like a little bigger saw for cutting crotches in the chipper

[MasterBlaster]

Why do you need a bigger saw for that?

[sotc]

just a little more power in a cheaper saw with a longer bar.

[MasterBlaster]

And WEIGHT.

[Koa Man]

I've been climbing with a 341 because my 200 is in the shop. It is kind of a pain in the b@!!s to use a reg. saw in a tree. I can't wait for that 200 to come home...........

You need to have at least 2 climbing saws. If not 2 200s, then at least the 192 for a backup.

[Skwerl]

Heck, I have three! :D

[wiley_p]

Thats 1890.00 in saw at todays MS200 list price. Sad, thats a lot of cash for such a variable product. I truly look forward to their "improved" tophandle offering. Sonsabitches.:evil:

[OTGBOSTON]

I've got two on order from BostonBull, at a really good price, 'cuz I'm a municipality:P

[BostonBull]

I've got two on order from BostonBull, at a really good price, 'cuz I'm a municipality:P

Tis True! :lol:

[OTGBOSTON]

when you gonna fix the other one???:cry:

[No_Bivy]

used the ms 200 for the first time...awesome. nice and light. Great ground saw8)

[BostonBull]

when you gonna fix the other one???:cry:

Today, tomorrow, the next day.......

Most likely tomorrow. I have a hunch as to what it is.......ZAMA!

[Koa Man]

Heck, I have three! :D

I have four! :lol:

[hornett22]

why do they want to fock up a good thing..........will the new one be better, or just a bunch of hype with better emmisions?

when have you ever seen the government make something better? i swear,they could fuck up a one car funeral.

[hornett22]

from what i have heard,everthing has to be EPA compliant by 2010.

basically,stratocharged.

[Stumper]

Come the revolution there won't be any EPA.

[Al Smith]

Come the revolution there won't be any EPA. Well that's revolting .

[NeTree]

Hopefully the replacement for the 200 won't be another boxy P.O.S.

[rbtree]

No 200T's for me, not at the price, or when a simple muffler port added to a $350 Jonsered CS 2139T will make it cut faster. Dead on reliable saw, too.

I'm stocking up for 2011, or whenever it is that we can no longer get current saw models.

[squisher]

Have you done some more impartial testing.:D

[lumberjack]

+1

Vids or it didn't happen!

[brendonv]

No 200T's for me, not at the price, or when a simple muffler port added to a $350 Jonsered CS 2139T will make it cut faster. Dead on reliable saw, too.

I'm stocking up for 2011, or whenever it is that we can no longer get current saw models.

I dunno roger, all I saw was 200t's working in your 20k monster hollywood poplar removal. :D

[lumberjack]

I bought a 192T Friday, used it yesterday. Going to play with it after it breaks in to see what it can do.

First impression is that it has a tiny fuel tank. Second impression is the exhaust port is 3.5x bigger than the muffler's exhaust port, bound to be some gains to be had.

Got it for $320 and some pennies out the door with a 12" bar, 2 screnches, tuning screw driver, a "2 gallon
" bottle of 2 cycle mix, and 7% sales tax.

[sawinredneck]

The 192 responds well to a muffler mod, I did a thread at AS about doing mine Carl.
It's never going to be a 200t though.

[OLD PUP]

I'll just stick to my old 044 climbing saw w/24" bar. Works for me ! No need to change saws, fast cuttin on small limbs ! Good for block'n dwn or fellin !:D

[rbtree]

I bought a 192T Friday, used it yesterday. Going to play with it after it breaks in to see what it can do.

First impression is that it has a tiny fuel tank. Second impression is the exhaust port is 3.5x bigger than the muffler's exhaust port, bound to be some gains to be had.



It'll be at least 20-30% faster with the muff opened up.

My 2139T was 40% faster!! That gain seemed mighty big....reckon I could switch to a stock muffler for more tests..but that takes a wrench....

check out the video-- www.youtube.com/rbtree

[sotc]

oh the vid with the dull 200t?;)

[rbtree]

I dunno roger, all I saw was 200t's working in your 20k monster hollywood poplar removal. :D


That's cause the old man let Dave and Eli do the climbing...and they use their own saws...

[MasterBlaster]

Wise climbers, indeed. ;)

[lumberjack]

What's the best way to deal with the limiter caps?

[NeTree]

Crack them off and throw them away.

[lumberjack]

I figured as much.

[hornett22]

Well that's revolting .

i found it quite refreshing!

[wiley_p]

Kinda like when Husqvarna "discontinued" the 372XP... 5 times or so. :what:

Gary

Funny, I was looking at the new Baileys catalog and saw a Univent chainsaw that looked very, very much like a 372. Anyone see this?

[Skwerl]

Yup, Husky cut off Bailey's at the beginning of the year for selling too many saws too cheap online. Those are the 75cc jugs on those saws and they've been tweaked/massaged slightly. That's why they are so pricey. :(

[hornett22]

Anyone use one of these before?

my buddy hasone.got it new but like new from an old timer for $250.

if i had to buy it at new prices,i'd buy a 346xp NE instead.

[No_Bivy]

Yup, Husky cut off Bailey's at the beginning of the year for selling too many saws too cheap online. Those are the 75cc jugs on those saws and they've been tweaked/massaged slightly. That's why they are so pricey. :(

wonder if parts will be an issue...

[rbtree]

Funny, I was looking at the new Baileys catalog and saw a Univent chainsaw that looked very, very much like a 372. Anyone see this?

Greg told me it's essentially been woods ported. If done to similar specs as many good saw builders, it's putting out 40% more power.....or cutting 40% faster....whateva......

[Dave Shepard]

I was looking at the online Stihl catalog, and it no longer shows the rear handled 200, is it history?

[Reddog]

Dave, it is still there. http://www.stihlusa.com/chainsaws/MS200.html

[Dave Shepard]

Interesting, I wonder why they've moved it to the "Occasional User" section? I'd have thought there would be saws cheaper and better suited to the occasional user.

[Al Smith]

I don't think the rear handle 200 was ever intended to be a "treemans" saw .Just like the 200T was never intended to be a saw for the occasional user and the price reflects that fact .

It's just a little rear handle ,trim the apple tree type thing . Actually I have something similar in the shed 019 maybe ?? I'll have to look at it again .

[Skwerl]

There's nothing similar about the performance between an MS200 and an 019, except maybe that they are both chainsaws. :lol:

[Al Smith]

I forgot the number on that thing again .Whatever it is it doesn't run too bad for a little saw .I don't even know why it's out in my shed because I can't find a thing wrong with it .:? It's not mine of course .

[cybergeek23851]

Al, are you thinking of the 009L?

[Dave Shepard]

I'm just thinking that the MS200 must be over $500, seeing as it's an MS200T with a rear handle. Now if I was an occasional user, I'd plunk down the money for an MS260 PRO, which must be cheaper, and more of a conventional design, or even a "real homeowner" model and save a few bucks. Just thinking out loud here.

[Skwerl]

Somebody stuck it in the wrong category for whatever reason. Maybe they don't want to sell too many of them? They're really a specialty saw and might end up causing liability issues if they were more widely available. Who knows? :?

[Al Smith]

Al, are you thinking of the 009L? No but now my curiosity has gotten the best of so I'll trot out and take a look see what the contraption is . On second thought I think I'll just stroll rather than trot .;)

[No_Bivy]

Somebody stuck it in the wrong category for whatever reason. Maybe they don't want to sell too many of them? They're really a specialty saw and might end up causing liability issues if they were more widely available. Who knows? :?

I love mine.....on the ground or in a tree

[Al Smith]

That little thing is an 011,the only one I've ever seen as a matter of fact . I don't know much about it .It most likley is a trim the apple tree in that back yard type saw .

[No_Bivy]

that chain is way loose Al........:D

[Al Smith]

No problem.I'll just turn it down side up .:P

[Wagnaw]

That looks like the predecessor to the 008 and 009, which was my dad's tree saw. I liked them, but the anti-vibration on them sucks.

[Al Smith]

I had some little orange contraption a few years back 010-012 something .That thing had an itty bitty reed in it about the size of a nickle rather than be a piston port design .It cut okay too for a little saw .

[Dave Shepard]

My mother has an 011, I think it's an AV. Seems to barely have enough power to spin the chain, might need a carb kit and tuneup by now, however.

[Stumper]

I have an 011 in the tertiary lineup. I have trimmed a few apple trees with it-and even carried it up a couple of big trees. A 41cc saw, it has fair performance but not the raw speed of a 200. Lousy balance for climbing use also.

[Al Smith]

I have no idea where that little Stihl saw ever came from .Maybe somebody owed the present owner some money or something .A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush they say .

Well,whatever .You might get satisfaction of taking owed money out of somebodies hide but that will just land you in the pokey . Fact is I've ended up with a few saws for that very same reason :(

[vharrison]

That little thing is an 011,the only one I've ever seen as a matter of fact . I don't know much about it .It most likley is a trim the apple tree in that back yard type saw .

I bet I could handle that one! :lol:

[Al Smith]

I bet I could handle that one! :lol: Oh shucks with a little guidence you could handle a 125 Mac with a 48" bar .;)------but I think perhaps a little Stihl would be a better choice for you .

[FJR]

As far as the 200t leaving the market, I asked one of the Stihl reps about this at the expo. He said the saw is not leaving the market any time soon and should be around for the next 5 years. Hope its true.

He also said the 362 will be the next saw on the market. And some of those bad ass chainsaw proof pants that are only offered in Europe may be making there way here soon, they have to pass testing.