MS200T falls off the throne

[rbtree]

Sorry to bust your bigballz, all you chainsaw nerds who think the 200is the baddest climb saw out there........

but we have a new king of the hill..

Disclaimer, this isn't a fair test. not same chain, and the 200 chain is old and hangng up in the cut.

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[squisher]

Highly suspect to me?:P So a 2 inch longer bar and cutting crooked and barely slower, I dunno?:D


Oh and the 200 is old? How old?

[lumberjack]

So the fresh, broken in Jonny with a dual port muffler and a sharp chain beat, by less than 2 seconds, a tired 200T with a pulled spark arrestor and a chain made for cutting around corners.

Yep, I'm convinced! :D

[Frans]

Jonsered is a Husky saw under a different name. Both owned by Electrolux.

[Mr. Sir]

Sorry, Roger. I don't think you've proven anything. My 200T with a new chain will blow away my Husky 272 with a dull chain. So what?!?! :?

[rbtree]

blablablah....

you 200t lovers sure do get your panties in a wad awful quick, dontcha....:cry:

I told you guys the test wasn't perfect.

But also, Y'all ought know that my old 335 was a proven 200T killer...and was for 3 years!

Take that! :P

The 2139 has a lot more torque as well

I think I have more experience with Husky climb saws than the lot of youse guys....and overall, more time on saws--going on 36 yrs....and surely, you know that I like the Stihl! :)

[rbtree]

Sorry, Roger. I don't think you've proven anything. My 200T with a new chain will blow away my Husky 272 with a dull chain. So what?!?! :?

that 200 chain was real sharp..it just has issues....till it started hnging up, it was moving right along......pffssst...

[sotc]

lets see a more comparable contest roger, im interested

[hugashe]

nice pics of all the climbers you have. whats that on there sides? i see 200t tearing that tree a new one. :P

[Ax-Man]

I thought the lanyard on the Jonsy was kind of cool.

After you have put some long hard tree hours on that saw let us know what you think about it. I for one would be interested to see if it holds up like a 200.

Personally I am not a Elux - Husky - J-red fan.

I recently added a running J-red 630 super to my collection. This would be the first so called pro model of Elux saws I have tried. I must say it is a good saw in the things the matter the most to me and might change my opinion about the Elux line of pro Husky and Jonsered.

I watched the vid also it was almost a tie from what I could see. Sorry, RB just don't see what the big deal is.

A 200 is still king. Parts for any Husky or J-red would be a bear to get around here.

[squisher]

Hell I've got 3 200's I have no choice but to stand by them :D

[Mr. Sir]

RB, I don't know why you even took the time to post this. You said yourself it wasn't a fair test. Are you just trying to stir up trouble, whorr wut?

[Frans]

RB, I don't know why you even took the time to post this. You said yourself it wasn't a fair test. Are you just trying to stir up trouble, whorr wut?

And whats wrong with that anyway?

I enjoyed watching it. :P

[High Scale]

I will stick with my ported 020T.

[Al Smith]

Funny you should mention the 335 and the 200 because I have both of them in my shop .The 200 is going to get a work over/soup up ,the 335 has the most pizz poor oiler I've ever seen on a saw except a Homey xl-2 .

[stig]

The thing is that even if the Jonsered is a mite faster, the Stihl is so much better balanced, that it more than makes up for it.
Of course, for all those politically correct people, who'd never even dream of running it one handed, that is not going to matter, but for onehanders like myself, a saw that is as noseheavy as the Jons, is just too hard on the forearms.
And no, it is not lack of saw experience that makes me prefer Stihl, I've run most of the brands over the 33 years I've been logging and climbing, and finally got wise enuogh to stick with Stihl.
( I know, you've got 3 years on me..............big deal!)

[rbtree]

The thing is that even if the Jonsered is a mite faster, the Stihl is so much better balanced, that it more than makes up for it.
Of course, for all those politically correct people, who'd never even dream of running it one handed, that is not going to matter, but for onehanders like myself, a saw that is as noseheavy as the Jons, is just too hard on the forearms.
And no, it is not lack of saw experience that makes me prefer Stihl, I've run most of the brands over the 33 years I've been logging and climbing, and finally got wise enuogh to stick with Stihl.
( I know, you've got 3 years on me..............big deal!)

Sure, the 200 is a tad better balanced, but that also means it has a couple inches less reach. Trade off., imo. And the 338/2139 is better shaped for movement through the canopy, and has a better saw attachment. I have no problem holding the 2139 out at arms' length...though for cutting sideways, I sure prefer the ported 192T!!

Al, the oiler issue has long since beens solved. Only thing wrong now is that stupid muffler that blows the exhaust on your hand....but that is alleviated by adding a second port. Also, the front filter means it dirties up pretty quickly. But the 200 needs cleaning often as well.

Then there's the price issue. My contact, spike60, from AS, sold me the saw for $350! Don't think I'll be getting any more 200T's!!

[MasterBlaster]

More for me!!! :P

[Al Smith]

Al, the oiler issue has long since beens solved. Only thing wrong now is that stupid muffler that blows the exhaust on your hand....but that is alleviated by adding a second port. Also, the front filter means it dirties up pretty quickly. But the 200 needs cleaning often as well.

What did they do to fix it .I had three of those little screamers sitting on the bench at one time recently .On one I replaced the pump shaft,which cleared up the problem .One I rebuilt the carb and the third one doesn't oil at all .Too bad because the little rascals do scoot although they do try to roast your hand .

I don't think the guy wants it back so I might soup this little rascal up too if I can get it to oil .;)

I don't know what's come over me lately .For some reason I just love to make little saws into screamers .:?

[stig]

As for the price issue, over here they cost about the same.
Something I wonder about, have prices on imports such as saws gone up lately in the US on account of the really low exchange rate for US$??
I mean, the importers get less for their $ and that has to make each item cost more in the end, or is there so fierce market competition that the importers just suck up the loss in order to be competitive.
I parallelimport all my sawchain, lube, stumpgrinder teeth etc. from the US ( Bailey's) and because of the exchange rate I get it for less than ½ of what I'd have to pay here. Somehow I'd think it would work the opposite way for goods imported into the US.

[top hopper]

That Jonsey is nothing more than a red Husky.

Both junk.

Ill keep my real saw thanks.

[lumberjack]

I didn't figure you'd use either in your cush office job, John.









































:D

[No_Bivy]

More for me!!! :P

yep......

[Banned by Squirrels]

As for the price issue, over here they cost about the same.
Something I wonder about, have prices on imports such as saws gone up lately in the US on account of the really low exchange rate for US$??
I mean, the importers get less for their $ and that has to make each item cost more in the end, or is there so fierce market competition that the importers just suck up the loss in order to be competitive.
I parallelimport all my sawchain, lube, stumpgrinder teeth etc. from the US ( Bailey's) and because of the exchange rate I get it for less than ½ of what I'd have to pay here. Somehow I'd think it would work the opposite way for goods imported into the US.

Yes our current presidunt through ineptitude has pulled the rug from under our once proud nation.

[OTGBOSTON]

I've been using the 200 rear handle model lately, I really like it! gives even more reach one-handed:O:/:

[MasterBlaster]

I think so, too. I want one!

[OTGBOSTON]

I thought you had one?:?

A lot of our work is "emergency" type cleanups to open the road. My guys would always reach for the 200t's cuz they are light and easy to use. I got the rear handles for them because they are safer for ground work, now I find myself using mine for everything I do, climb bucket, ground....

[stehansen]

As for the price issue, over here they cost about the same.
Something I wonder about, have prices on imports such as saws gone up lately in the US on account of the really low exchange rate for US$??
I mean, the importers get less for their $ and that has to make each item cost more in the end, or is there so fierce market competition that the importers just suck up the loss in order to be competitive.
I parallelimport all my sawchain, lube, stumpgrinder teeth etc. from the US ( Bailey's) and because of the exchange rate I get it for less than ½ of what I'd have to pay here. Somehow I'd think it would work the opposite way for goods imported into the US.

You are exactly right Stig. Conversely it works to the advantage of any US companies which are exporting goods.

[rbtree]

After you have put some long hard tree hours on that saw let us know what you think about it. I for one would be interested to see if it holds up like a 200.


I watched the vid also it was almost a tie from what I could see. Sorry, RB just don't see what the big deal is.


8.15 seconds versus 6.4 is......20% faster.....that significant..if the test was more equal.

Put the same chain on each saw, same pro chain, no safety stuff, same bar...with the riders down a bit.....the 2139/338 will still be well in the lead...it has a lot more torque.... The 200 is in great shape...it's hours are relatively low...as a lot of my guys have their own 200T....and, until last summer, by far my favorite saw was my old 335.....reliable and fast as all get out. And it gave me three solid years of service..an was used when I got it. The saws are better built than the 200, some think....

This 2139/338 NE is a huge improvement over the early 338, which I never ran stock, but bought it from Dan Henry, power ported by him. Either he messed it up or the early ones were dogs. Even ported it was slower than a 200T.

[rbtree]

I've been using the 200 rear handle model lately, I really like it! gives even more reach one-handed:O:/:

True dat!! I was at my chain saw guru Andy's today, getting some chain sharpened for crane day on the big (un) populars Monday. Got the 60 incher all prepped, after it wuz rocked by a groundie on last August's even larger poplars. And a 42"er is also ready to go. It'll be on a 2100, as backup to the 43" on the 3120. I think I can make the cuts just fine without having to mess with that 5 foot bar/chain..

Anyhow, I digress. Andy was going to work on someone's old Homey Super EZ Auto....which was the first saw I climbed with....10 pounds, rear handle, but a peppy little fella. I tried to hold it at arm's length...twarn't easy. After a brief spell of using the old 020's (before the Super, the saws had some issues) we switched to Echo 302's---rear handled, heavy and gutless relative to the Homey......reckon I'd really like an MS200.....!! Then the Poulan S25 was in vogue till the 200T hit the ground running.

[Al Smith]

Then the Poulan S25 was in vogue till the 200T hit the ground running. Got two of those old classics myself,one since the mid 70's when I bought it new for 139 bucks .

I did some work on a buddies 020T a few years back and ran the two just for a test.They both weighed within ounces of each other and cut at exactly the same speed both running 14" bars . The 20 had a better balance ,the s25 oiled a lot better . I imagine though that either a 335 or a 200t would outcut both of them now days .

[Blinky]

Throne or no throne, I like my 200T. No Jonsey dealers around here and the Husky shop always has at least a two week backlog. The Stihl shop fixes me up when I walk in the door or by the next morning at the latest.

I'm kinda torn between getting a 200 rear handle or a 260 Pro. I need a light saw for ground work and blocking stems... I hate climbing with a damn 440.

[squisher]

361 blink man, 361. 8)

[swampy036]

I almost got a 200 rear handle, but I dont likethe air filter. You have to have a socket with an extension to get it off. It looks like a PITA. The 192R has a diff filter that looks alot the 200T.

[Skwerl]

Swampy, I don't understand your comment. From the pictures it looks like the ms200 uses the exact same filter cover retaining knob as most other Stihls. They can be opened by hand, or you can use the scrench if your fingers are weak.

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[swampy036]

Skwerl I am talking about the air filter. On the 200R it is round and bolted to the top of the carb. If the cover is stuck I have my wife losen it for me.lol

[rbtree]

Got two of those old classics myself,one since the mid 70's when I bought it new for 139 bucks .

I did some work on a buddies 020T a few years back and ran the two just for a test.They both weighed within ounces of each other and cut at exactly the same speed both running 14" bars . The 20 had a better balance ,the s25 oiled a lot better . I imagine though that either a 335 or a 200t would outcut both of them now days .

Hi Al, You meant 020 AV....

In its day, the S25 far outsold the 020S, I think. Prolly due to the price. And they were good saws. I didn't use them much. Used the Echo 302S and the 330....why, I think because I knew little about saws then, and never knew about the Poulans. And the old 020, pre the Super, had issues. Used them back in the mid to late '80's, after the Homey Super EZ.

I don't recall having 020 AV oiler issues.....power wise, though, most thought they were about the same as the 020T.....But, after spending over $500 for my last 020S, I waited for the Husky 335 to hit the market.....odd, as hyper as I can be, that I put up with all the early 335 problems.

They really are good saws these days...built beefier than the 200's...lower rpm might mean more longevity....

[rbtree]

I'm kinda torn between getting a 200 rear handle or a 260 Pro. I need a light saw for ground work and blocking stems... I hate climbing with a damn 440.

Hey, Blink.....not saying you don't take care of your saws...but I try to, and rarely have major problems....

but I do own a whole slew of saws, so if one breaks, I always have a backup--or three.

You really oughta consider a 2139.....Spike60 from Arborist Site sells em cheap. But, if you don't mod that danged muffler, it will burn your hand...and have low power.


As well, the Husky 346NE or Dolmar 5100S both embarrass a 260

[rbtree]

That Jonsey is nothing more than a red Husky.

Both junk.

Ill keep my real saw thanks.

Shows you know little about the current product....which can be understandable if you had bad experiences as did many with the early editions. Husky really shot themselves in the foot in bringing out that early shoddy product.

Even when they were unreliable, I got tons of service out of all mine. Besides running erratically, two of the early saws would out cut 200t's--or close..

[Ax-Man]

Blink, go for the rear handle, I have two of them now and reccomend it for a climbing arborist and as a light ground saw. You won't regret it.

Swampy, Brian is right you don't need any tools other than your hands to take the top off and a screw driver to undo the clips on the side of the filter that is attached to the intake manifold. Very similar to an 025 only in a different position. Look closely at it and you will see what I am talking about. I almost made that same mistake:lol: but knew better as it just couldn't be that difficult to change one.

Those filters also break down futher once you get them off the saw.

Might mention this when climbing with the 200 R. You have to watch the air filter cover, branches and what not up in a tree can knock the cover loose. I put a litlle duct tape over the knob when I climb with mine.

[rbtree]

What did they do to fix it .I had three of those little screamers sitting on the bench at one time recently .On one I replaced the pump shaft,which cleared up the problem .One I rebuilt the carb and the third one doesn't oil at all .Too bad because the little rascals do scoot although they do try to roast your hand .

I don't think the guy wants it back so I might soup this little rascal up too if I can get it to oil .;)

I don't know what's come over me lately .For some reason I just love to make little saws into screamers .:?

Al, there's nothing much that can be done to the innards of a 338 or 192T that makes any appreciable difference. can't deck the cyl. Porting doesn't work.

But was that 40% cut reduction time not amazing--just from switching mufflers?

Husky altered th oiler design years ago...problem solved. works as intended to. Call greg at Bailey's. Besides retrofitting the new oiler, you might need to do something else...as in assure that the oiler lines are not restricted in any way...I'm fuzzy on the details of the old problem.

[wiley_p]

Luckily Roger, its not to far for the POS 200 to fall. Damn overpriced, OLD design crap fro those moneygrubbing bastids at Stihl USA.

[rbtree]

Luckily Roger, its not to far for the POS 200 to fall. Damn overpriced, OLD design crap fro those moneygrubbing bastids at Stihl USA.

Awwwight...sumbuddy agrees wid me.....and that fella has run a saw or thirty in his day.....

I'll stop short of calling it a POS though...my friend Andy says they've solved the carb issues with the latest renditions...

Andy sharpened my 60 inch chain....pretty sure I can easily make the cuts with shorter bars tomorrow.....( I left you a phone message wanting a .404 chain. He also sharpened that 42" loop you sold me and delivered at that other poplar job...the one with the occasional hard cutter....)

Gotta check the rings/piston on the 3120..comp is down to 140 or lower..maybe 120? noticable fall off in power. Dang.

[Thor's Hammer]

Rog, I have a few 335's, being a big husky fan. Some were superb, some were junk.
is the muffler change an off the shelf item?

[Al Smith]

Al, there's nothing much that can be done to the innards of a 338 or 192T that makes any appreciable difference. can't deck the cyl. Porting doesn't work.

I can't argue aye or nay to that because I've never tried it yet .How-some-ever I have pepped out a few engines of the clam shell design by a little port work and slightly shifting the ignition timing . They didn't turn out to be barn burners but still pretty snappy little 3 cubers .

Even the Mini Mac I piped responded to some work with the Dremel and file .Enough so that I had to retune the pipe .

The biggest problem I see on the 335's is the fact the ex goes out the bottom and makes a hard turn towards the right . That expanding ex gas acts most likely as it would be hitting a brick wall with that design .

[rbtree]

Walker's quit doing the li'l husky's cause they weren't seeing any gains, beyond muffler modding.....

I'm not a saw builder, so don't know exactly what they did, but for $120 or whatever they charged it wouldn't have been much. I do recall that it's possible they might have somehow changed the timing...something on the flywheel looked a bit funny....

And Dan might have messed up that 338, cause it was slowwww...for $200.

[Jonseredbred]

I am partial to the 2139. But who would have guessed??

[rbtree]

Rog, I have a few 335's, being a big husky fan. Some were superb, some were junk.
is the muffler change an off the shelf item?

nope. I add a 1/2 inch tube facing down halfway. Weakens the plastic cover a bit, as you have to create a hole.

[sawinredneck]

The new Dolmar top handle is supposed to run alright as well, but stupid switch placement kills that saw.

I think some small gains should be made with the 192 by widdening the ports. I don't know that raising or lowering will help much though. But I've never wanted to spend the two days to do it.
I know muffler modding them helps a bunch!
Never run the Husky TH's, just heard too many problems with the carbs. I guess a little work on the 338 Cali. saws and they will SCREAM, but it's a bear to find them now.

Sorry Rog,right now, I still have to go with the 200t, and I'm a tight ass!! I even just bought a new one a couple months ago to replace my carb issue ridden 192t.

[stig]

I almost hate to say this to those of you who rave about Jonsered being better than Husqvarna or vice versa, but there is no difference.
Both companies where bought up by the Elektrolux company, along with Partner and Poulan.
If you visit the factory in Jönköping, Sweden, you'll see a long assembly line of engines that split up into one line being fitted as Jonsereds and the other as Huskies.
The intestines are the same in those saws, only the skin is different.
Since the merger they stopped competing against each other,and as a result the quality has gone way down, in my opinion.
I wrote a thread on Treebuzz about the companies being one and the same, and apparently this is news to the americans.
Well, now you know!

[Thor's Hammer]

nope. I add a 1/2 inch tube facing down halfway. Weakens the plastic cover a bit, as you have to create a hole.

PICS Dude!:)

[rbtree]

I wrote a thread on Treebuzz about the companies being one and the same, and apparently this is news to the americans.
Well, now you know!


Say what, stig? I think everyone has known that for years...

[Skwerl]

bbb..but Roger, didn't you know that Americans are stupid? :? Next thing they'll be telling me that Chevrolet and GMC trucks are the same, with different badges. :O

[rbtree]

OK, I ran another test...this time with a 14 inch well sharpened chain on the 200T....with the cutters about 40% gone...should be a fair bit faster than the new safety chain on the 2139, which may well not even be broken in yet.
And the 200T is still on its first sprocket I think, so is relatively low hours.

Results were very close, 6.65 for the 200t and 6.72 for the 2139...what amazed me was a time of 10.1 seconds for my stock 192T......and that was with that .043 bar and chain..Oregon's version. It cuts nice! but prolly isn't that good for bore cutting or back chaining....

Unfortunately, I failed to use the camera right, and didn't record the ported 192T's time...but it felt like about 7.5 seconds....and the new stock 335 Cali, which felt like 9 or so.....

something must be wrong with the muffler ported 335 cali, as it pulled a 12.3---

I've never much liked those cali's....

So, my conclusion, so far, is that the 2139 is nice...but perhaps notquite as fast as that old 335 that I got for $40, in a box in pieces....

Nest time, I'll have a better test, as we've split nearly all the wood at my house. And with the same chains.....and with the 2139 tuned to the right rpm, though it sounds just right as is....

[rbtree]

Good one, skwerly one.....

what say, stiggy???

[rbtree]

PICS Dude!:)

This is where Walker's put their port...they close up the stock port. I've added a same size port on the lower outside corner of the muffler--can't find my pics of that ....

[stig]

bbb..but Roger, didn't you know that Americans are stupid? :? Next thing they'll be telling me that Chevrolet and GMC trucks are the same, with different badges. :O

By no means was I trying to insult american intelligence, nothing would be further from my mind.
Really, some of my best friends are american.

Jokes aside, when I posted at treebuzz, my impression was that not many knew about the whole Elektrolux deal. I guess treehousers are simply better informed.

[Mr. Sir]

You're dang right we're better informed. Just ask Jasper:

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[Al Smith]

Jokes aside, when I posted at treebuzz, my impression was that not many knew about the whole Elektrolux deal. I guess treehousers are simply better informed. It's a slightly different crowd here .;)--then again ,over the years often times one model of saw brand may in fact be of another manufacturers design and custom build for the prior to market .The examples are many .

[MasterBlaster]

I guess treehousers are simply better informed.


Plus, we're a good looking bunch! :rockon:

[Blinky]

Plus, we're a good looking bunch! :rockon:

I wuz gonna say that.

[sotc]

hahaha, great vid!

[Ax-Man]

By no means was I trying to insult american intelligence, nothing would be further from my mind.
Really, some of my best friends are american.

Jokes aside, when I posted at treebuzz, my impression was that not many knew about the whole Elektrolux deal. I guess treehousers are simply better informed.

The Buzzers just aren't into saws as much as we are over here at the TreeHouse.

I don't know if the chainsaw section over there has much if any new posts or threads in last 6 months. When I do go over to the Buzz I hardly bother to scroll down that far. When I do it seems they still have the same threads that have been there for ever.

The TreeHouse crowd is much better informed and know their chainsaws. Many of the guys here are probaly better at working on saws than some of the tech's that do.

[Al Smith]

The TreeHouse crowd is much better informed and know their chainsaws. Many of the guys here are probaly better at working on saws than some of the tech's that do. Shh,you'll get some "builders " up in arms .;)

Why don't you know you have to go for years years at a factory school just to change a spark plug and heaven forbid you have the audacity to ever soup one up . It's almost blasphemy to even suggest that in some circles .:lol:

Jesting of course but as a group ,we do allright .:thumbup:

[Magnus]

Say what, stig? I think everyone has known that for years...

It is not that easy to understand for all.
You can't belive how many times I said this on the USA trip just a couple weeks ago.
McCulluch for one is many that think still is a USA product.

Investor/Elux has at the very least finger in evrything that is not German...

Models rotate parts within Elux. If you find it in one saw you will find it in another too. They still produce Mac's in Italy for Pro's, but I don't know if they are sold in US, I know they are not sold in northern Europe.

Husqvarna as it was is a memory, so is Jonsered.
They think quite diffrently now than before.

[rbtree]

Another update.

As I've said, I've never liked the earlier 335 Cali that I have. but I had still bought another one several years ago. It probably isn't even broken in, dunno how many tanks through it, 5 or so?

Anyhow, I put the ported muffler on it, and compared it to the 2139. Time was about the same. Then I switched bar/chains. The 2139 now has a 16 inch bar with new Stihl pro chain, filed sharp. The 335 Cali has the 14 inch with filed Oregon safety chain..both with the depth gauges down a bit. The cali cut a 15.5, the 2139 a 17.0!!! Hurray, another 200T killer saw! I'll have to wait to test the 200T on the same wood, as it is on the truck which I rented to a fella who works for someone else, and me rarely.

(the 14 inch bar is only 1.5 inches shorter than the 16, fwiw.....tells ya that safety chain isn't all that slow!!

[Al Smith]

Speaking of 335 ,I have a wild idea to tweek one of them also just to see what I can come up with .That is after I redo a 200t which would be after I finish up on 2100 Husky .

Somewhere in the midst of all this I have to finish my log splitter and some how get old Tom the tree guys chip hauler out of my shop .This of course would lead to me finishing my bandsaw mill .It seems I have a few too many irons in the fire at one time .:lol:

[Blinky]

What've you got against 200Ts Roger?

[Ax-Man]

I think he likes to get us Sthil guys up in arms.

I see where Jonsy is offering a 2135 model. Kind of like Sthils version of the 200's and the 192's (019). Hope I got that number right.

He does have my attention on this saw. I basically liked the 335 I had as a climbing saw. If it wasn't for the starting and running problems I would have liked it even better.

[rbtree]

What've you got against 200Ts Roger?

Mainly just price. I like the shape of the 335/338/2139 a bit better---more reach, shaped better to slide through brush, better lanyard attachment, and a tad lighter. And it now has a side access chain tightener. Muffller gases directed at right hand is ridiculously stupid, but a non-issue, as a muffler mod takes care of that...and makes the saws run like they were built to.

It is a bit nose heavy compard to the nearly perfectly balanced 200T, which has more rpm, but less torque. But lower rpm, and better built bottom end means the Huskys can outlast the Stihls.

Seems the reliability issue is solved. Still have to choke the Huskys after a couple minutes of being off, which is a minor aggravation.especially compared to the way the first--and second-gen saws ran.
Stihl's complicated levers, switches are a pain to fix...carb harder to get at. Huky gas caps are bomb proof...hate the new fangled garbage caps.....which came about because Stihl caps were junk...


I think he likes to get us Sthil guys up in arms.

I see where Jonsy is offering a 2135 model. Kind of like Sthils version of the 200's and the 192's (019). Hope I got that number right.

He does have my attention on this saw. I basically liked the 335 I had as a climbing saw. If it wasn't for the starting and running problems I would have liked it even better.

not quite right....the 2135/334 is simply a smaller displacement 2139/338, and is the same size as the old 335 perhaps, but rated at 2 hp instead of the old 2.2---EPA garbage, prolly.....the 38 cc 338 is only rated 2.3.....

The 192T is not as solidly or professionally built, and won't provide the same long service life as the 200T. But I really love mine, one woods ported, one muffler modded.

[Skwerl]

Mainly just price.

I cannot comprehend the issue with price. The 200T is a tool that can generate hundreds of dollars per day of use with a lifetime expectancy of several years. One could easily earn $100,000 or more with one 200T. To complain that the price is $100 too high is insanity. If they sold for $2000 I would pay it in order to have the best tool available for my livelihood. Yeah, the new caps suck and the lanyard clip is a pita, but the saw runs great and has the best reliable power available in a top handle. I'll buy a Husky top handle when the Husky top handle is better than the 200T. $100 difference in price will NOT be a deciding factor.

[rbtree]

Speaking of 335 ,I have a wild idea to tweek one of them also just to see what I can come up with .That is after I redo a 200t which would be after I finish up on 2100 Husky .

Somewhere in the midst of all this I have to finish my log splitter and some how get old Tom the tree guys chip hauler out of my shop .This of course would lead to me finishing my bandsaw mill .It seems I have a few too many irons in the fire at one time .:lol:

Go for it, Al... I'd love to see if you can squeeze any gains out of the saw. beyond muffler porting.....Consensus is, it isn't worth it..and may not be possible. Seems it might be, maybe with a bit of a timing change and larger carb jets? and porting and piston work. But for real world use, there's no reason to pay someone to do all that. The 200T's that Ed did for Craig Jabs, were reportedly wicked fast...but that's overkill in a climb saw...just like that that old 335 I had that was an anomoly...it was so fast it took some getting used to...had to really watch it or the cut would be done before it started...hah! As well, the modded 200T's were capable of ruinnign 16k or more, and run too hot---that would ffect longevity, prolly.


I cannot comprehend the issue with price. The 200T is a tool that can generate hundreds of dollars per day of use with a lifetime expectancy of several years. One could easily earn $100,000 or more with one 200T. To complain that the price is $100 too high is insanity. If they sold for $2000 I would pay it in order to have the best tool available for my livelihood. Yeah, the new caps suck and the lanyard clip is a pita, but the saw runs great and has the best reliable power available in a top handle. I'll buy a Husky top handle when the Husky top handle is better than the 200T. $100 difference in price will NOT be a deciding factor.

The difference is $200..if you can get a 200T for $550.....that's significant. And the saws are no longer dogs...but becoming proven performers.

[MasterBlaster]

Cheaper would be nicer, but sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet.

[Al Smith]

Because of the oiling issues on the 335's plus the fact there is no dealer support locally ,you couldn't hardly give those things away in this area .

Of the trimmers I know that ran them,they liked them but with those issues would never own another .

I mean it's pretty sad when a dealer 40 miles away cannot fix an oiler and a back yard hack such as myself can .:what:

Soo ,all that said the 200T is still king of the climb saws in this area .