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    I'm sure you know this, but just about everyone here will agree that material handling is the name of the game. A mini and dump trailer is in my opinion more important than a chipper, especially if you don't have far to go to dump. Treework is basically 2 operations, technical treework and removing waste. If you have a thing that moves the waste without you breaking a sweat you will make money faster than if you are trying to grunt 10s of thousands of pounds everyday, no matter how motivated your help is. Carts, log arches, and arbor trolleys can definitely help, but nothing beats machinery to move stuff. That's the one thing I've learned starting out.
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    Chipper purchase should be real close with the mini purchase.
    When you can move larger amounts of material faster, you will overwhelm a trailer quite quickly.
    Then comes the crane work. Material needs to be made smaller and made gone as efficient as possible.
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    [SeanKroll]
    [You can fit some mini-skids in the chip-bed making it a one-rig show, dump before heading home (getchipdrop.com).]
    The mini will make you so much easier money than guys trying to do machine-work. The guys won't be broken down by the manual work. You will need less, better guys. Mini has no Worker's Comp, no overtime, no baby-mama drama, doesn't get sick, or have sick kids, etc, etc.
    All good points, Sean, just a matter of financing/timing to get the mini I want. I can work around it until business really starts kicking in full time and can afford the other payment.
    [How about a winch on the chipper? ]
    Definitely keeping that in mind on the purchase.
    [Kyle & Steve (I believe)]
    Both good reinforcing points about moving the waste. Around where I am, lots of hardwood prunings resulting in boatloads of chips. Chips are the easiest and cheapest to dispose of, so the chipper becomes priority one. Brush can be disposed of, but only one place anywhere near me, and it's not that close (and the most expensive to dump there). Lots of folks out here burn wood (including most of my customer base), so disposal of that is less of a concern. The dump trailer will be purchased within the next few weeks, and the log carts just arrived today (so the ground monkeys and I will be able to move wood fairly well until the mini-skid and truck 2 are in play). Also keeping in mind my seed money will be down to the subsistence level to get me through the winter, until storm work or warmer weather allows business to pick back up.

    Once again, appreciate the feedback/ideas. Please keep them coming!
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    I'll get you a picture of my minorly modified hand-truck. A cheap investment, and does a few tricks the Arbor-Trolley doesn't, at a fraction of the cost. I use both. The AT was a huge step up, but not winning every event. Length-wise log carrying through gates without lifting, and carrying a Brute garbage can, are the two I can think of, ATM.
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    Sean gave you gotten a chance to use your log arch yet?
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    No. I've wanted to, but...The Ogre! All I can haul of any size is 12', which the Mini or Mini-Arbor Trolley handles.



    Skip the chains, ratchet straps instead.
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    Come in near the balance point, wiggling the 'horn' under the log. You will be able to lever it up onto the blade, and swivel the log over the handle.
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    Status update:

    Spent 3 hours with the dealer today going over and chip testing the 2 M12R/1415 models I originally listed (they are leftover 2018 models, so they are knocking a couple thousand off each). I had a pickup bed full of ash limbs and logs from a recent EAB takedown, so was able to really see the performance of each. The limbs were all 3-8" diameter, with some being gnarly twisted and long, and both handled them with ease. Then came the log sections, 3 each about 10-13" in diameter and about 18-20" long. Both handled them well, with some minor hiccups on the 13" ones (both ended up stalling when left on factory default down rev setting for feed reverse, as there wasn't enough left on the end of each piece between the feed wheel and the drum to allow for a reverse, and there were some sizable knots in each). Overall, both performed well, with the following notable differences:
    - The gas model was much louder than the diesel; you could at least hear each other when the diesel ran full speed, not so w/the gas.
    - The diesel threw the chips much further than the gas model.
    - The diesel performed just as well at 2200 max rpm for performance, while the gas had to get over 2500 to do the same.

    While the controls and features were nearly the same, the diesel just seemed to be the better performing machine (and recovered from the stall much quicker). Additionally, the sales rep indicated his customers w/the diesel were reporting abut 50-60% longer run times on the diesel before refill as compared to the gas. If I stay in this model range, the diesel would be the choice.

    The rep also informed me they had 2 versions of the M15RX (one gas, one diesel) that they could have up next week to do the same kind of demo. Will report back on that after it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanKroll View Post
    No. I've wanted to, but...The Ogre! All I can haul of any size is 12', which the Mini or Mini-Arbor Trolley handles.



    Skip the chains, ratchet straps instead.


    Come in near the balance point, wiggling the 'horn' under the log. You will be able to lever it up onto the blade, and swivel the log over the handle.
    Nice setup you've got on that hand truck, Sean. Did it come with those nice, oversized tires, or did you add them on?
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    Good review.

    I bought the smaller, lighter duty HF hand truck, but kept breaking wheels. I upgraded to some harbor freight wheels, and needed a slightly wider axle. Consequently, the wheels are wider than the guards, but good for lots of things, including full sheets of plywood and Brute cans..

    Finally bent the handle, which was reinforced with angle iron, since.

    12 years of use and abuse.
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