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    10 Hours Ago
    Kevin, I started climbing in 1967 and did it up until a stroke slowed me down about 3 years ago. Still do it with grand kids occasionally. This is a good site to pick up some tips, especially from the likes of Jerry Beranek and Dave McNeill. I think the times I picked up the most new ideas and good info on using them have been attendance at Tree Climbing Championships, especially the 2 I competed in in 93 and 94. We are not an extremely secretive group when it comes to sharing ideas. You just need to start low and slow and see what works for your abilities and work situations. Most of all have fun and be safe. If you enjoy it you will never have to go to work a day in your life.
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    4 Days Ago
    6" and under walnuts, selective thinning Boss wanted me to check on some contacts. Need to ask him exactly what he wants: feasibility of use, cost per acre (500 trees/acre to about 225 tpa), contracters to contact? Will get more info on Monday.
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    1 Week Ago
    Went through that country in 2009. There was a nice interpretive center along there somewhere with good info about geology, fossils and such. John Day Fossil Beds National Monument.
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    4 Weeks Ago
    Last used when I had left over pieces on a brake job!!!
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    03-27-2019
    I missed that one I guess. I thought the giveaway was two young fellows at the door with "pamphlets".
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    02-04-2019
    Butch, It is sad....no doubt...but there is so much to be learned from this event. I hope the people in charge out in California take the time to sit down and discuss what happened here. It doesn't have to turn out that way. There will always be fires. We can't stop that from happening.....but we can do something to help give these towns a fighting chance. Joel
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    02-04-2019
    For those of you who might be interested, here's a link to a site that contains aerial views and videos, taken by drones, of the entire Paradise California (Camp Fire) area. https://buttecountyrecovers.org/drone-images/ Joel
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    02-04-2019
    Tree09, My Brother, Kevin, works in the control room at the Jeffries Coal Fired Electrical Plant near Manhattan, Kansas. They have three boilers in that plant that produce a max of 795 MegaWatts per hour. I asked him about the coal and about how much they go through each day. Here is his reply.... "We burn 33,000 tons per day. A coal car holds 120 tons. That's 275 coal cars per day, or 11.5 coal cars per hour. We receive 10 trains per week, each with 120 cars of coal. That's making some steam! Joel
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    01-28-2019
    To everyone who has responded recently, I wish to thank you for chiming in on this topic. I truly appreciate the feedback and the comments. Now Stig........this topic is not a bad place to be commenting on climate change. It is because of the perceived man-made climate change that Paradise ended up as it .....ummmm.....was. Every single tree was considered to be a sacred being....off limits to man and his evil hands. Well, as it turns out, man didn't have much to do with how things turned out in Paradise. In an attempt to save every single damned tree that ever took sprout, those people lost them all. A much better plan would have been to reduce the number of trees to about 20 percent of what was there. If they would have done that, all of those trees (likely all of them) would have survived this fire. Additionally, there wouldn't be all of the poisons and chemicals in the ground water and soil that came from the burned out homes, cars, and garages. In this particular case, man's evil ways of cutting timber and reducing tree populations could have saved the environment from much greater harm. Fire away. Have at it. Joel
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    01-27-2019
    Mrs. B, I was just one person in a group of about 100 certified arborists who were called in to assist with the Camp Fire remediation efforts. The entire project was headed up by PG&E, with the primary goal being to restore electrical and gas service to those homes that survived the fire. Our first goal was to label the trees by order of priority. We did this much along the same methods used by medical teams following a major pile up on the interstate. Those trees that posed an immediate threat to life or property were labeled P1...or PRIORITY ONE. Trees that were hindering the power restoration efforts were labeled "P2". Trees that posed no threat to the public, but would have to be removed prior to any New Construction were labeled "NC". PG&E established the guidelines that we were to follow. Any vegetation that fell within 16 feet of the centerline of the power pole, to either side, was to be entirely removed. Any tree over 4" in diameter that was located outside of that measurement, but was still encroaching on the power lines, would be marked for future action. The certified arborists would walk the areas to determine if the work was accomplished properly, or to determine if the work had even been started. Needless to say, the tree crews working the project weren't any too concerned about making proper pruning cuts. Many trees were butchered. There is going to be a heap of restoration work to do once the butchers leave town. We had many long discussions regarding the haphazard methods used by the tree pruning crews. There were conflicting stories regarding change of plans in mid-stream, and different directives being issued as the project advanced. I can't blame the tree crews for all of these pruning failures, but the blame has to placed somewhere. Usually the guy with the saw in his hand gets blamed for making a poor pruning cut. That's the way the ball bounces. I left Paradise thinking that the whole city had been lost to a fire and that it all could have been prevented. Start by simply thinning the forest. Some of those yards had 30 trees in the front yard alone! And these are not little trees! Maintain a clear and clean forest floor within city limits. Establish fire breaks around the city limits to provide fire fighters with a work zone and to provide time and space for residents to escape. It's easy to say now......I know....but other cities need to begin taking action. In an effort to save all of those trees from man's saws, the people of Paradise lost them all to nature's fury. Joel
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    01-27-2019
    CurSedVoyce, Many thanks for the fantastic info. I don't know that I'll be going back. PG&E has filed for bankruptcy and we were all promptly dismissed from the project. I have no idea who is going to resume the effort. Maybe we'll get called back, but I highly doubt it. At any rate, the LTO class sounds very interesting. I'm a certified arborist who runs a tree care company here in North Dakota. I also serve as the city forester for my little home town of Cando, ND. I'm working on getting my ISA Municipal Specialist qualification. Becoming a Licensed Timber Operator might not be a bad thing. I truly appreciate your input and assistance. Joel
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  • Underwor's Avatar
    12-20-2018
    Butch and Carl, Great Job and Great Choice!!! Looking forward to lurking around the Treehouse for years to come with both of you.
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    12-19-2018
    Underwor replied to a thread Revenge! in MBTV
    These ought to be on the market. Amazon should send out several in each shipment in assorted boxes, Make things more exciting.
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    11-09-2018
    Thanks Flushcut! Will look at it.
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  • Underwor's Avatar
    11-07-2018
    Thanks for the help. Would be about 1500 acres on 7 X 12' spacing. Luckily all I have to do is watch!!!!! Some stands they may want to prune one more time. I think they should do this after marking, but before thinning. Then as you say, who cares about the trash for the next 20+ years. Anyone know where a small Bobcat track style feller buncher can be rented in Midwest? I am supposed to get some prices if possible.
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  • Underwor's Avatar
    11-06-2018
    Thanks for the help. Like the idea of a small feller-bunched and chipper.
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    11-02-2018
    Had this question asked the other day by person planning a precommercial thinning operation in hardwood stand of 4-6" trees. How are the log portion of the trees handled normally. My experience with chippers were what prompted the question. The brush clearing type grinders on front of bobcat or payloader were mentioned. Trees are in a plantation planted on 7' centers in rows 15' apart. Thinking about the need for perhaps one more pruning of the remaining trees. Perhaps the final prune to about 18' should be done between marking for thin and thinning. I did not run into this problem too often in city and residential forestry. Thanks, Bob
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    05-05-2018
    Denatured alcohol will allow you to easily wipe off spruce tar and sterilize you for the next tree!!!!
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    03-11-2018
    I have the Echo PAS-266 system, which comes with many different attachments. I own the articulating hedge trimmer, pole saw, extension, cultivator, weed trimmer, blower, brush cutter, and broom. One engine powers them all. The pole saw is a 10" with 3/8" pitch chain in .050 gauge. I use it nearly every day. Joel
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  • Underwor's Avatar
    03-11-2018
    We have some friends that live S of Tucson, near Sonoita and Elgin. It is interesting and different country down there.
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    03-10-2018
    The petrified forest is as you said one of the great visits for a forester. Were through there about 6 years ago. Have the trees grown any since?
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    03-08-2018
    I purchased a set of the CDs and used them when I studied for my test. Lots of very useful information that will start anyone serious about tree care down the right path. The ISA is an international body, so testing applies to everyone. My set has been passed around quite a few times, but I always end up getting it back. We've started a book sharing club, of sorts, between the arborists in the area and that seems to be a very good way of getting to know each other and to share a cup of coffee once in a while as we meet to test new gear, or talk shop. Joel
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  • Underwor's Avatar
    02-15-2018
    Yes Sylvia the trees were planted for timber production. They are looking into nut production, but the varieties are not specifically selected for that so prices would be for forest run nuts. All plantings total about 1500-2000 acres trees planted at about 500 per acre (my estimates). Best stands coming up on first pre-commercial thinning (about 6" dbh) in next couple of years. All fields fertilized last year were pruned this fall, it will be interesting to see how they respond this year. Think rest of fields will be fertilized this spring. It is amazing how close the aerial applicator comes spreading urea which is about the same weight as Styrofoam. Will add a picture of line between plots in one field. Second photo is test strips in Harrison, with Cooper in the foreground.
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  • Underwor's Avatar
    02-15-2018
    Sylvia and all, I got distracted from this site for a while. Here are answers to your most recent questions. As far as I can tell they are all from the same source. The trees are from Perdue University research. I visited with 3 of the professors from their forestry department who visited last fall. They had no explanation for sure on the differences, but the one who dealt more with the agronomy side seemed to agree with me that it likely had a lot to do with soil health at time of planting. None of the fields were fertilized in the first couple of years, so they started with what was available in the soil at that time. I have seen several other examples of the phenomena over the years My brother farms a field that had an air strip on it for many years. The area of air strip still has corn that is taller and greener even after 5 years or so in ag production. A site south of Prairie City had tiling work done a year ago that mixed some of the fence row and road ditch soil with the crop land area. There were individual stalks of corn or small clumps in the area last summer that stood up to 2' taller than the rest. Since we know that the genetics of these crops is such that all are normally carbon copies of each other, this seems to show that there were very limited areas of fertility difference. I have photos of work done there this winter and hope to see similar results next summer. If I do I will try to post the images to this site. As you suggested, I think I am going to try to incorporate a couple of buckets of soil from Cooper around the base of a tree or two in Harrison this year. Don't know how long it will take for a change to show, but if it is as quick a the corn field I should see something, even if it is just holding its leaves longer in the fall for a first year response. As they say leaves grow trees. I will attach the soil maps of the sites. Also a deal I wrote up for one of my online soils labs from another site. Photos come from center of 279B soil type
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  • candoarms's Avatar
    01-27-2018
    Bounce, I joined the North Dakota Urban and Community Forestry Association three years ago, after being appointed to the position of Urban Forester here in Cando, North Dakota. Since that time I've been asked to give presentations regarding basic climbing techniques, pruning classes and aerial rescue. This year I've been asked to take part in a community tree inventory program that will place every public tree in our State on a database. Some 80 communities in our State have been inventoried already, but the database is on paper and is not easily updated. The new system will allow us to update inventories on the spot, using our smart phones to access and update the database. When a tree is removed, we can subtract it from the inventory. The same is true when we plant new trees. Following the classes that I'll be taking this coming week I'll be asked to help many communities implement this new tree inventory system. It will aid us tremendously if and when the Emerald Ash Borer arrives in North Dakota. We don't expect that it will be too long from now, because it's already been positively identified in Winnipeg, Manitoba...about 60 miles from our border. I'll soon be traveling across the State to make presentations at city council meetings in many small towns here in North Dakota. My goal is get every community to take part in the tree inventory program and to make the database available to all city personnel, urban foresters, shade tree committees, etc. Joel
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