eye 2 eye locked brummel

sarthur · May 5, 2009

so im new to splicing and have had great success with my first whoopie sling

good times!

im looking to have a go at making an eye to eye sling and am a little confused as to how to get the second locked brummel with out having to push the first threw the tail of the second before burrying. is that the only way or is there some trick to it?

any help or tips are greatly appreciated!

vharrison · May 5, 2009

sarthur, Nick is the splice guy here, probably still sleeping as he is on the west coast.

MasterBlaster · May 5, 2009

Welcome to the TreeHouse, Sam! :beer:

woodworkingboy · May 5, 2009

Hello Sam, good way to enter the Treehouse, talking about splicing.

lumberjack · May 5, 2009

Well, I'm not Nick but.....

http://www.precourt.ca/brummel_splice.pdf

Blinky · May 5, 2009

lumberjack said:
Well, I'm not Nick but.....

http://www.precourt.ca/brummel_splice.pdf

Yep, that's how you do it. I've heard it called the mobius brummel when you splice it that way.

lumberjack · May 5, 2009

Yep, I thought it said that on the pdf, that's what I Googled to find it.

rangerdanger · May 5, 2009

That's the way I was taught at the symposium. But they called it an inverted locked brummel.

You can also do a standard brummel on the other end. Just have to remember to sew it.

NickfromWI · May 5, 2009

Great directions for the mobius brummel. Precourt makes GREAT stuff, some of which is great for tree workers, too! I haven't been to their site in a while. I'll add their splicing directions to the collection of splicing directions I have on my website (subtle plug, huh?!).

Sam, the mobius brummel is easy to do, though some people have trouble understanding it. Give it a couple shots and it should work out alright.

Big question is, what rope are you using? If it is a soft rope like Yalex, you might find it easy to just push the whole eye right through the rope. I find this to be faster than the Mobius.

Either will be just fine.

Can we see some pics of your work?!?!

love
nick

NickfromWI · May 5, 2009

rangerdanger said:
You can also do a standard brummel on the other end. Just have to remember to sew it.

RD-I'm not picking on you...but I gotta ask: If you're doing a standard (non locked) splice on one side, why not do it on both? When I see a splice locked on one side, but not the other, it looks to me like someone didn't wanna go the extra inch to make a good sling a great sling.

I am a big fan of the locked brummel and use it whenever possible, which is almost always.

love
nick

rangerdanger · May 6, 2009

Nick, I'm also a huge fan of the locked brummel. Just put that one up there because I remember Rich saying it's actually stronger, and that if you're splicing directly onto hardware of some sort, then you can't do a locked brummel on both ends.

But I agree, whenever I can I will use a locked brummel.

lumberjack · May 6, 2009

rangerdanger said:
...If you're splicing directly onto hardware of some sort, then you can't do a locked brummel on both ends...

Sure you can, it's not fun, and I wouldn't do it (I'd pay patient Nick).

sarthur · May 6, 2009

Thanks for all the welcoming comments guys, much appreciated! Thought id jump strait in at the deep end and hope for the best

Lumberjack: that PDF is just the job; id thought there must be a trick to it. Cheers.
Nick: at the moment I’m just using the inner from a length of prussik line that I got me hands on but is not fit for climbing, Its seems to be the same construction as the 12 strand stuff like Tennex. I’m hoping to get the technique down with that before I move onto using stuff I actually have to pay for. Ill be using Tennex for the actual work as that seem to be the only stuff available by the meter in the UK.
In regards to pictures ill pop a couple on soon as well as a couple of other ideas I’ve been playing with for redirects using the sheath :roll:

Cheers for all the help.

lumberjack · May 6, 2009

Tennex isn't 16 strand, and the core of 16 strand isn't load bearing.

Pretty sure you can buy just about any rope by the meter in the UK.

sarthur · May 6, 2009

Ooops typo, my bad. ive looked around the websites i no of and it seems to be all i can find, any sugestions?

also i no the core isnt load baring im just using it to practice the splices on, but cheers for the warning.

lumberjack · May 6, 2009

The core of most 16 strand is 3 strand?

Check over at www.arbtalk.co.uk , they should be better able to find you a supplier, or several of them, including the owner, are members here. (Pete McTree, Blue, High Climber, Steve Bullman, ect).

sarthur · May 6, 2009

i beleive the stuff i have i double braid from beal. it has a braided core and sheath

lumberjack · May 6, 2009

Ah, it's core is a hollow braid and a brummel would work for that, although it's only for practice.

jamie · May 7, 2009

sarthur, Tenex is the only stuff you can find over here, i'm sure there would be some places that might stock Yalex but don't go holding your breath. in the past i've spliced marlow D12 which is a 12 strand hollow dyneema rope, quite stiff and low low melting point. i'm not a fan or marlow

Jamie (another 'brit' Carl :cry:

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lumberjack · May 8, 2009

you were the first in the list of ects! :/:

There's no arbor supply companies on the island?

jamie · May 8, 2009

ach well thats ok then. suppose i'll just have to keep my ticks to myself then :lol:

.

there are quite a few tree supply companys just most sell tenex if they sell anything

Jamie

startersplice · May 28, 2009

Hollow braid in the UK

Try ropeworkuk.com for Allgear Tec and TecVec hollow braid prussik rope.

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