Twisted clevis

[swampy036]

UPS guy came today:) dropping off my swivel and a twisted clevis. I only had time to try the clevis out on my flip line. WOW I can tension or just pull slack with out any effort. If I only knew about this before. Anyone else use this setup. Oh ya as soon as the UPS guy pulls in the old lady tells me it girls night out. Now I home drinking beer watching the kids with my saddle on looking for something to throw my climb line over to test the swivel set up OTGBOSTON posted.

[MasterBlaster]

Hahaha. I've never used a twisted clevis. What's the advantage of the twist?

[Frans]

Use a bit of rubber or something to keep the clevis oriented correctly.

Butch, the twisted clevis helps keep the adjuster facing the right way

[TheTreeSpyder]

It is a deceivingly slight adjustmeant; that adds a lot of silkiness to the way the cam lines up to adjust lanyard as Frans says.

But; i feel like i evolved thru that; to have a prussik type adjustment cord tied right to the sideD; and reeve the tail of the lanyard thru the D; to then also use the D as a tender to adjust the prussik. The hitch will adjust under load/ cam won't. cord is lighter, less profile, cheaper too. Cam, is better for lots of pine pitch or ice on line; things that would trouble a hitch. but, otherwise the cord is better IMLHO.

[MasterBlaster]

So is my "adjuster" facing right? :?

[squisher]

Nope looks like it's pointing up to me and trying to twist the biner.:D You need a twisted clevis

[stehansen]

I have one and I like it. Makes the slack come down from the ascender.

[MasterBlaster]

I guess I gotta get one!

[Old Monkey]

We use them on all our saddles. Its an essential pice of kit. Pricey though.

[Stumper]

Better a twisted clevis than a twisted Monkey!

[NickfromWI]

Yep, the Master Blaster's lanyard is definitely being pointed upward.

I notice that you have it attached with a carabiner. Do you take it off/on often? With the twisted clevis, it is a bit less convenient to take off/on.

http://www.bosunsupplies.com/products2.cfm?product=S0163

love
nick

[MasterBlaster]

Thanks Nick! What size do I need for my Gibbs? And don't they have them at Lowes? :?

I don't see a TC here, but the adjuster is facing the right way - right?

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[FJR]

Hey butch, you need the 13/32 in. twisted clevis for the gibbs. There is a 5/16 in. that is used for the microcender.

[stehansen]

I have looked for them at our local hardware store and only found a very small twisted clevis. It's a conspiracy. I got mine from Sherrill.

[Frans]

I have the long twisted clevis. It works better IMO.

Butch, your gonna have to go to a marine supply house and then it will be a special order.
Or......go through an arborist catalog

[Blinky]

The Bosun's Supplies link Nick gave is a good source for rated stainless hardware. I picked up a 5/16" twisted clevis from them a while back.

[NickfromWI]

I don't know exactly what size you need for your particular adjuster, but maybe these guys can help:

http://www.wesspur.com/Carabiners/clips-links.html

love
nick

[MasterBlaster]

Thanks FJR! Nick, you've never had a Gibbs?

[OTGBOSTON]

While it works the way y'all are describing, I believe the swampmeister is using it in place of a pulley as a slacktender on a prussic style lanyard.

[misterTee]

I also use a twisted clevis; it seems to help a bit although I still find that the whole setup (clevis plus adjuster) can sometimes twist around on itself and needs untangling.

My only issue with it is, it doesn't allow much room for a soft link between your side d-ring and the adjuster. I have been told that a soft-link is recommended in case you ever need to cut yourself out of your flipline (wire core) in an emergency.

[NickfromWI]

MB- I never owned a gibbs. I've used them before. Oh- and I've met the the pres of the company...Mr. Gibbs himself- but never owned one.

And the guy in the pic is using a gri-gri, or maybe an I'D. That rope comes out of it properly at a downward angle. On the gibbs it comes ot 90 degrees different.

love
nick

[xtremetrees]

Kool Nick. The spring thingy on Mr. Gibbs cam breaks easily. Even on my second one, anymore, I just go it without the spring load on the cam on the gibbs.

[Bounce]

I use a twisted clevis myself, although you should probably back up the screw pin with something to keep it from vibrating loose. Even after tightening mine with pliers, I've found it loose at the end of a day twice now. :O I now use a nylon zip tie to secure the hole in the pin back to the shank of the clevis so it can't back out more than 1/8 turn.

[NickfromWI]

My recommendation for backing up a twisted clevis:

Get 1' of zing-it throwline. Fold the throwline around the clevis (not the pin) and bury the half the throwline into itself forming a tight eye. You essientially just made a 6" piece of zingit double braid with a super tight eye.

Install the clevis to the flipline/harness. If necessary, add loctite, then tighten the pin to the appropriate tension. Now feed that 6" tail through the hole in the pin. Pull tight and then form a small stopper knot as tight as you can. Leave a tail about 1/4" long and cut off the excess. Hold a flame to the 1/4" tail to prevent raveling.

love
nick

[sotc]

6900 pounds and doesnt meet ansi standards? because its a screw lock?

[NickfromWI]

Yeah- it's not auto locking. I'd be concerned a little riding it without a back up, but wire down the loop, or add some loctite and I'd be happier with it.

love
nick

[Frans]

I agree, Lock-tite is a good thing.

Here are two different twisted clevis.
Butch, you mentioned a Gibbs. That is the purple larger one holding the wire core flip line. And then for the 1/2" I have the smaller twisted clevis.

You could buy this stuff from West Marine www.westmarine.com

but you may have a different supplier in your area

[swampy036]

I am hooking my prussic to a biner that is hooked to the side D. I am using the clevis as a slack tender so it does not need to be rated at all. With this set up I am able to pull slack at a 90 deg. angle. Being able to pull slack / tension like this is a lot better. Before if I was trying to pull myself into a stem away from my climb line I would have to try to pull the tail at an ackward angle to be able to suck myself in :? Now its like I have mech. advantage. Frans were you with Greg Good at the TCIA in Conn.

[top hopper]

Not to harp on you MB, but you really shouldnt use the quick release pin when the Gibbs is used as a lanyard adjuster.
A locking bolt is recommended.

[TheTreeSpyder]

Swampy; ya might try just running the end of the lanyard through the D for secondary or full knot tending. i like this solution for cheap, light and low profile; that also is adjustable under load compaired to cam

A locking bolt is recommended; and if using the Locktite; extra tourque input to get the same bolt tightness; for Locktite adds friction that you must fight to get same bolt tightness in threads. i also would place a plastic wire tie through the bolt eye of the twisted clevis and anchor for even more safety against it backing out.

[OTGBOSTON]

swampy, running it the way I showed you is just fine. The clevis isn't actually holding any weight, just tending slack. Rock on! G

[MasterBlaster]

Nope looks like it's pointing up to me and trying to twist the biner.:D You need a twisted clevis

It's not pointing up, it's to the side. It's not twisting the biner, either.

So what if I pull the rope to the side, instead of down? :?

Is that a rule somewhere?

[swampy036]

QUOTE=OTGBOSTON;217457]swampy, running it the way I showed you is just fine. The clevis isn't actually holding any weight, just tending slack. Rock on! G[/QUOTE]

Rocking hard. Did a cotton wood trim 3 good size branches over a shop. Between the clevis and the swivel the forearms were not warmed up and it was time to pack up the saws. Big time energy savers. Looking forward to the BARC climb. This time no hangovers. Not that I felt any better.:O

[top hopper]

Rocking hard. Did a cotton wood trim 3 good size branches over a shop. Between the clevis and the swivel the forearms were not warmed up and it was time to pack up the saws. Big time energy savers. Looking forward to the BARC climb. This time no hangovers. Not that I felt any better.:O



Huh? :?

[OTGBOSTON]

QUOTE=OTGBOSTON;217457]swampy, running it the way I showed you is just fine. The clevis isn't actually holding any weight, just tending slack. Rock on! G

This time no hangovers..:O[/QUOTE]

No promises:P

[OTGBOSTON]

Huh? :?

We did a rec climb after the TCIA expo in Hartford. I had a touch of the Irish flu, cuz I had met up with some old college friends the night before, and the night before that, and....you get the picture.

Mostly I rember that climb being very cold, and I remember getting a couple of tics:O

Whats up with the new avatar top? "old time hockey" its not even an original six team;)

[tblough]

I safety wired the locking bolt on my twisted clevis. Locktite is good, but if you want positive, verifiable, retention, safety wire is the only way to go.

[xtremetrees]

Frans how did you get your name stamped/printed on your micro-sender? Pretty spiffy.

[Frans]

Frans how did you get your name stamped/printed on your micro-sender? Pretty spiffy.

took it to an engraver. They put your name on awards and stuff. Got tired of having my gear disappear at comps. and workshops.

[Frans]

Frans were you with Greg Good at the TCIA in Conn.

yes, I was there. But I was not 'with' Greg. He is just a friend :O :lol:

[swampy036]

For some reason I thuoght it was you at his both. My wife and I were looking at the GRCS start talking with the "salesman" after explaining we already had one he gave her his women version. This is the new and improved super slek and sexy model with a chrome finish. :lol: As she butts in and said just like the one we have. All in fun, that was the first trade show I went to. Looking forward to meeting more of the "salesmen" like that.

[Burnham]

Ok, I'm not with y'all on the orientation thing with the twisted clevis vs. a screwlock or biner.

If I put a biner on my Macrojuster and attach that to the D ring on my hip, the tail of my lanyard hangs straight down from the Macrojuster when all is under a bit of tension. I shorten by pulling the tail down and forward.

If I put the biner on upside down, under tension the tail exits up...that is how Butch has his mounted in his pic, no matter that he says it exits to the side :). IMO that is just plain wrong, cause the weight of the tail is always trying to flip the adjuster, causing an unfair bind of biner and D ring...but I guess he can do so if he wants :D.

A twisted clevis turns the adjuster 90 degrees, so the tail really does exit to the side.

Either way, exit from side or exit from bottom, works fine and does not result in binds between D and biner.

It is purely personal choice which you prefer...for me, having done it both ways, it's easier to adjust pulling down and forward than out to the side and forward, but it matters not one whit which you do.

No twisted clevis for me.

[OTGBOSTON]

This is the way swampy is using his twisted clevis, not that the other ways aren't good.:D

[Burnham]

Hmmmm, looks like most if not all of us missed the point of his thread...sorry.

[top hopper]

This is the way swampy is using his twisted clevis, not that the other ways aren't good.:D


Thats a pretty expensive slack tender.

For what they cost, Id find something else to use personally.

[Frans]

For some reason I thuoght it was you at his both. My wife and I were looking at the GRCS start talking with the "salesman" after explaining we already had one he gave her his women version. This is the new and improved super slek and sexy model with a chrome finish. :lol:


Yea, that was me! :lol:

Glad you liked it.

[High Scale]

I have a couple spare Butch, would you like me to send you one?

[MasterBlaster]

Heck, I dunno if I really want one. I'm perfectly happy with my set up as it is, but thanks anyway!

[stehansen]

Ok, I'm not with y'all on the orientation thing with the twisted clevis vs. a screwlock or biner.

If I put a biner on my Macrojuster and attach that to the D ring on my hip, the tail of my lanyard hangs straight down from the Macrojuster when all is under a bit of tension. I shorten by pulling the tail down and forward.

If I put the biner on upside down, under tension the tail exits up...that is how Butch has his mounted in his pic, no matter that he says it exits to the side :). IMO that is just plain wrong, cause the weight of the tail is always trying to flip the adjuster, causing an unfair bind of biner and D ring...but I guess he can do so if he wants :D.

A twisted clevis turns the adjuster 90 degrees, so the tail really does exit to the side.

Either way, exit from side or exit from bottom, works fine and does not result in binds between D and biner.

It is purely personal choice which you prefer...for me, having done it both ways, it's far easier to adjust pulling down and forward than out to the side and forward, but it matters not one whit which you do.

No twisted clevis for me.

I'm sorry Burnham I was confused, I should have said the slack coming out the side which is what I prefer. I have been using the twisted clevis since I switched from the old flipline hitch to using an ascender which is probably why I like it. I got a flipline from Gary which had a carabiner on it and I think the slack is easier to grab sticking out to the side than sticking out the bottom.

[Wagnaw]

I wish someone would make a locking carabiner that has a twist in the bottom similar to what a clevis has. Then you could use the same biner and swap out the ascender or friction hitch. I am also a fan of having the tail come out to the side.

...maybe I should have majored in engineering.:roll:

[stehansen]

I wish someone would make a locking carabiner that has a twist in the bottom similar to what a clevis has. Then you could use the same biner and swap out the ascender or friction hitch. I am also a fan of having the tail come out to the side.

...maybe I should have majored in engineering.:roll:

Maybe you are an engineer, you just don't know it yet.

[Frans]

For some reason I thuoght it was you at his both. My wife and I were looking at the GRCS start talking with the "salesman" after explaining we already had one he gave her his women version. This is the new and improved super slek and sexy model with a chrome finish. :lol: As she butts in and said just like the one we have. All in fun, that was the first trade show I went to. Looking forward to meeting more of the "salesmen" like that.



Hummm, I remember that now. I was tottally burnt out with talking to people so I decided to 'improvise'.

glad I made an impression, hope it was a good one.

Frans

[swampy036]

Hummm, I remember that now. I was tottally burnt out with talking to people so I decided to 'improvise'.

glad I made an impression, hope it was a good one.

Frans

Oh ya we almost got another one with that great pitch and a good impression. :lol:

[Monkeywithasaw]

there is some of the twisted locking carabiners on ebay under the title

[OTGBOSTON]

Thats a pretty expensive slack tender.

For what they cost, Id find something else to use personally.

:D changed your mind, eh?

[CurSedVoyce]

Found this but maybe over kill at 7/8"
http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.com/speeco-twisted-clevis-78-body-p-45860.html?ref=42

[top hopper]

:D changed your mind, eh?


I did. I found one laying about that wasnt being used. So I tried it for a slack tender on my lanyard. Works pretty good!

[CurSedVoyce]

I know its been a while on this one.. But I just found something. I must have seen this thang a hundred times and not clicked... An Adjuster with a swivel attachment point. Gibbs.. Plus it works on the 2 in 1 lanyard. Granted I would have to size down to 1/2" for mine as I run 5/8 cable core. But nice!
http://www.wesspur.com/images/product/klmr_01_500.gif

Here is the page WesSpur has it on... Gibbs Klimair

http://www.wesspur.com/Lanyards/mechanical_adjusters.html

[Burnham]

I tried it, but really don't like the 2 in 1 concept...doesn't work for my style. I go with two lanyards.

[Altissimus]

Same Here ... you can buy mine (used two or three times) ....

[CurSedVoyce]

I prefer two lanyards myself... Just figured it would eliminate the need for the twisted clevis on an adjuster with the swivel built in. Won't work in my case cause I run cable core for the most part.

[Bounce]

Also, the Gibbs Klimair adjuster does not allow 1-handed adjustment. It requires 2 hands to lengthen or shorten your lanyard.

[MasterBlaster]

Heck, who wants THAT!

[Burnham]

Not me!!

[Altissimus]

I just HAD to try it , Johnny at Sherill told me in advance that I wouldn't like it when buying ..... If I didn't dislike it so much I was meaning to try it with say a 9mm or 10mm line ...

[sotc]

i like it for small removals wher i dont want to undo a climbing line but still want 2 snaps to stay tied in. couple times a year is all. i got a prototype but wouldnt pay the money for one

[sotc]

ive often thought id like to build a swivel like that for my micro cenders, wouldnt be to hard with a mill

[CurSedVoyce]

Well back to a twisted clevis then it seems as I see it.. Just had never notice it before. I would have thought the swivel aspect of it would be nice to keep the adjuster in the right place.

[Tucker943]

I love my twisted clevis. I got a good reminder 2 days ago about looking it over far more often than i do.
The machine screw that holds it together backed out nd it came apart while i was in the midst of a removal. I was tied in and no harm was done but it got to my head a little bit.

[Bounce]

Try backing up the pin with a plastic zip tie. Just go through the hole in the pin and around the shank so the pin can't back out. You have to cut the zip tie every time you take it off the saddle, but that's not a big deal.

[Muggs]

I just use a beeline with a micro-pulley on my wire core lanyard, but if I was going to use a mechanical lanyard adjuster I would attach it with a Spectra Rope Grab. Its way cheaper than a clevis, rotates on its own to the proper orientation, and plus its a soft link so you can cut it if you need to.

http://www.sherrilltree.com/core/media/media.nl?id=4224&c=839638&h=9eeb77f3b388e7bbd192

[Bounce]

Most people prefer not to use a soft link on a steel core lanyard because it defeats the whole point of having a cut-resistant flipline if the part you are most likely to cut by accident is not cut-resistant.

[Burnham]

Most people prefer not to use a soft link on a steel core lanyard because it defeats the whole point of having a cut-resistant flipline if the part you are most likely to cut by accident is not cut-resistant.

Plus, it flops around like a limp....well, it flops around.
:D

[Muggs]

"Most people prefer not to use a soft link on a steel core lanyard because it defeats the whole point of having a cut-resistant flipline if the part you are most likely to cut by accident is not cut-resistant."


I disagree that the part you are "most likely to cut" of a wire core flipline would be the slack tender. I think you are most likely to cut either the main length of the flipline going around the spar or the tail hanging down. I would say you are least likely to cut the slack tender since it is so close to your body, you are naturally more careful with a saw when it's that close to you.

I'm just saying that looking at overall safety, a soft link for your slack tender makes sense because it gives you or someone else the ability to cut you out of your lanyard if need be. Chances are, if you're going to hurt yourself in a tree, it's going to be while you are using a chainsaw. And if you're using a chainsaw, you will or should have your lanyard in use. This means that if you hurt yourself, the person coming up to help will have to deal with you and your lanyard. So I think it makes sense that they should be able to cut you out if need be. I'm not one of these people who looks at everything in worst case scenarios, and I certainly don't think I would ever need to cut myself out of a lanyard, I just think a soft link makes sense. But to each his own, I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone's setup as long as it works for them.

[MasterBlaster]

Good point, mate. :drink: