Rope Guide Ideas

[jtrouse]

Hey all just thought id share a bit of my splicing lately, just started to think more about cheaper rope guides and here it is.

What is everyone else using that they have made up themselves?

[stehansen]

Pretty cool. Where did you get the hardware?

[lumberjack]

Pretty cool until the prusik pulls through the eye splice, talk about a bitch to get out from the ground.

I've made a ring and ring adjustable, but mainly I use a RG.

[JonnyHart]

Pretty cool. Where did you get the hardware?

Second that. That's a nifty looking pulley. Nice splice. :)

[lumberjack]

The pulley and shackle look to be off the lastest generation of Ropes Guides.

[jtrouse]

The retrievable clip is from the local marine shop and the small aloy ring.

As far as retrieving it it comes out better than the 06 rope guide and i prefer to climb off this than my real rope guide, id prefer to try and get an original "rope" rope guide cam part any one want to sell theres or know where i can get one from???

Cheers

[Blinky]

I like it. I can't afford one of those fancy pulleys yet though.
What kind of rope is that?

You can get damn near any stainless hardware you want from Bo'sun's Supplies (http://www.bosunsupplies.com/ProductShackle.cfm)

[gf beranek]

show me some more setups. Please. Great ideas come together

[jamie]

my rope guide

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c199/treejamie/rope%20stuff/DSC00186.jpg

the ring and pully are genuine ART products, the shackle is from a chandelry and the rope is samson 13mm arbormaster the hitch is samson 9mm tenex and the whipping is marlow no. 4 whipping twine.

Jamie

[NickfromWI]

jtrouse, I don't like that long blue string hanging in there. I think you could have just as much luck by taking that piece out, then attaching the retrieval shackle to the seized eye on the end so it looks more like Jamie's.

Jamie- I'd recommend a closed hitch of some sort.

I'm splicing up a new one for myself this weekend. I'll post pics later. I'm going to try the pulley on the end and the ring on the adjuster.

love
nick

[jtrouse]

i put the cord in that spot cause i made one with the clip on the end of the rope and found it didnt work as well as this idea and its sprectra so pretty strong. thanks

[jamie]

I was intending to run it as a closed hitch. the eyes are super tight, so its a bit of a problem cramming both onto the pully.

i've only used it twice (once only 6 foot off the ground) but so far its nice. makes the return to the top nicer and easier.

Jamie

[gf beranek]

Can you make a LB with a ring inside it?

[NickfromWI]

Gerry- that's no prob to do.

love
nick

[rumination]

What's an LB?

[jtrouse]

i made a few small changes, shorten the prusic and added heat shrink to it.

[RIVERRAT]

The long blue string would be a bloody hemroid. I dont see it coming out that easy in some of the pin oaks & other trees we have here.

How does the pulley trap the ends of the B-Line?

[brendonv]

What's an LB?

Locking Brummell.

[NickfromWI]

rr- the pulley has a pin in the top of it. The eyes of the beeline are anchored to the pin.

A great design by ART! http://www.climb-art.com/cocoon.htm

love
nick

[jamie]

Jtrouse, I was worried about the shackle on the tail of my ropeguide not being able to pull the assembly out of the tree and thought about a system like yours witha bit of cord. I can happily say that it has worked ok. If you can get a rin in the end of your guide, as opposed to the soft eye.

Jamie

[rumination]

Locking Brummell.


I knew that.:|:

[jtrouse]

yeah ive tried that and found it gets stuck in some crotches ive found this to work well and its not a soft eye it has thick heat shrink around stainless stell wire, alot of the guys here in aus are using this similar setup and havent had any probs with it at all.
thanks

[NickfromWI]

I made a Friction Saver similar to yours a few years ago. It had a piece of hose going over the eye to keep the eye open more, making retrieval a little easier.

That was before I was keeping good records of everythign, so I can't find a picture now...:whine:

love
nick

[jtrouse]

did you find it came out easier with the eye open rather than a steel ring nick? i find the way mine is setup if it is chocked off and gets stuck the small ring and cord pulls it losier and than retrieves from the tree better, whats your thoughts?

[NickfromWI]

I've had really good experiences with the aluminum ring. I haven't felt the need to try another style. The one I made with the big, hosed, rope eye was sent to the person who ordered it right away.

I'm interested to know if yours continues to work well after the rope has been well used.

Hey- who makes that rope you are showing there? The brightly colored one?

love
nick

[jtrouse]

yeah ill have to let you know once it has worn in more, the rope is yale technicolour, might be only at cannings not sure though.

i find it good cause you can see it more visibly.

[Hollywood]

Here's a prototype using a ring/ring friction saver. Retrieval link is different now. Second photo is an idea to keep the adjustable pruisik from pulling through the large ring. (not spliced, just taped together for show)

[jamie]

How would the prussic get pulled through? I've been using my one for two weeks now with no problems.

I chocker the strop round the tree and i'm yet to see the prussic even attempt to pull through.

Jamie

[gf beranek]

Hey, Hollywood, that first pic with the friction saver rings and the other friction saver running throught it. Why two? The rings by themselves seems enough to do the job. Am I missing something there?

[Hollywood]

jamie, the prusik won't pull through if used in a choke configuration. But you always have to use it choked then. Unless I'm working a spar or something I like to use my ropeguide in the hanging config.

Gerald, the added stuff is a pulley and retrieval link. Just a quick mod to the Friction saver to make a poor man's rope guide. This one is not adjustable, you can't choke with it.

[gf beranek]

Ahh...

[NickfromWI]

Here's the one I made. I haven't used my rope guide in like 3 months because I've been waiting for a chance to resplice it. I finally did it the way I wanted, with the pulley on the end, and the ring on the adjuster. I seized the end as a streamlined stopper.

The rope is Yale XTC 16 strand with the whole core removed. Usually you take out 10 strands to make a core of 6 strand. I only pulled 8 strands so the rope is a little stiffer than normal. This minimizes the "indiana jones" effect that sometimes causes my rope guide to get stuck on the way down.

I use a ronstan snap shackle as the retrieval loop. I really like being able to snap it off and on as I like.

The only draw back I can see so far is that I can't remember which way the ropeguide goes on! It isn't holding firm like it should be. I'll figure it out...

love
nick

[sotc]

It isn't holding firm like it should be. I'll figure it out...

love
nick

looks like the adjuster is getting sucked "around" the tree all the time. ive never used one but thats what jumped out and grabbed me

[jamie]

do you not have a split pin through your bolt on the pully?

Jamie

[NickfromWI]

I haven't installed it yet because I'm still toying with if I want to have the pulley on the end of the rope or on the adjuster.

Mine didn't come with the split pin. Are they supposed to? I was thinking of installing a roll pin and just cutting it a little long on either side.

love
nick

[jamie]

Mine came with 2 tiny split pis selotaped to the instructions. i had to spanner down the nut to get the pin in however.

Jamie

[top hopper]

Nick

I think you'll find no matter how its loaded the "puck" on the RG will slip when configured with the ring and the pulley reversed like you did. In order for the puck to bight on the line it needs the weight of the pulley to pull down and slightly rotate the puck.

Does that make sense?

[NickfromWI]

But even if I don't rig it up...if I just grap the rope in one hand and the ring in the other and pull, it isn't biting.

Hmmm.

I've sent an email to freeworker. We'll see what they say.

love
nick

[top hopper]

Rope not compatible? Some are not.

or

Cam upside down?

[jtrouse]

Ok heres a new idea i thought would work, using a positioner instead of the prusic and pulley attached to that, but how to retrieve it im very lost in where to attach it, the new positioners dont have a screw on the back of the cam so there goes that idea, what do you all think??

[gf beranek]

Nick,

Just the components alone looks to bring the cost of your rope guide up near $300 smacker's. Nicely done on the finish work, but that's a lot of bucks to be banging off the branches and hitting hard ground.

[jamie]

I have a slight scratch on my ART pully as it hit a stone on the ground.

They are expensive things to make up, luckily i paid for mine when i made one for someone else

Jamie

[NickfromWI]

Nick,

Just the components alone looks to bring the cost of your rope guide up near $300 smacker's. Nicely done on the finish work, but that's a lot of bucks to be banging off the branches and hitting hard ground.

I read this and though, "you silly goose...learn how to use a calculator!" Then I added it up and it is easily over $300!!! So....YIKES!!! But I don't mind it getting smacked around. That's what it's for, I s'pose.

I emailed Hubert about the cam, and after getting passed the "love nick" thing, he was able to explain (through fun-to-read germenglish) that there might be compatibility issues with the cam and he knew from the serial numbers what the prob was. He is sending me a new cam!

Frans- I noticed a little zip lock bag on my desk the other day. It just glimmered or something. It was in this pile of papers and other junk. I grabbed it and inside was the installation directions for the rope guide, and taped to that were 2 tiny pins! So now that I have 'er all buckled down tight, I went ahead and installed the pins. I'm flying safe now!

jtrouse- if you are trying to use the positioner, you can retrieve it by splicing or tying a ring on the very end of the rope that the positioner is attached to. you'll have the big ring/carabiner on one side, and the appropriately sized retrieval ring on the other. In my experience, the heavier this ring is, the less likely you'll have troubles while climbing.

love
nick