Andersonville National Cemetery Pruning Project

[pantheraba]

Carl (Lumberjack) and I worked on this project last year. It is a beautiful site with a large number of very old trees that date back to the Civil War. We met Blinky and TreeLooker (Guy Mayer) there, also.

The project date this year is Saturday, April 26th, 2008

Below is a blurb from the official site http://www.nps.gov/ande/

"Andersonville National Historic Site is the only park in the National Park System to serve as a memorial to all American prisoners of war. Congress stated in the authorizing legislation that this park's purpose is "to provide an understanding of the overall prisoner of war story of the Civil War, to interpret the role of prisoner of war camps in history, to commemorate the sacrifice of Americans who lost thier lives in such camps, and to preserve the monuments located within the site."

The park has three main features: the National Prisoner of War Museum, the historic prison site, and the National Cemetery."

Here is the info from the official flyer to coordinate the project...I have it in pdf and rtf format if you want it emailed to you...PM me, if so.


Georgia Arborist Association
P.O. Box 3589, Loganville, GA 30052
www.georgiaarborist.org
(770) 554-3735

Andersonville National Historic Site
2nd Annual Volunteer Project

Andersonville National Historic Site
Web: http://www.nps.gov/ande/

Saturday, April 26th, 2008

Andersonville National Historic Site commemorates the experiences of all American Prisoners of War. The site of historic Camp Sumter (Andersonville Prison) is one of the main features of the park. Camp Sumter was built in early 1864 and was one of the largest of the many Confederate military prisons established during the Civil War. The park also features the National Prisoners of War Museum and Andersonville National Cemetery.

Eric Gansauer (Forestry Administrator), Hugh Tyer (Certified Arborist/Consultant), and Fred Boyles (Andersonville NHS) have arranged a volunteer pruning day on April 26, 2008 at this National Historic Site.

Volunteers are needed to help preserve and enhance the beauty of this National Historic Site. We will need experienced climbers, ground workers, and equipment.

If you are interested in volunteering, E-mail georgiaarborist@bellsouth.net or call
Donna Rayfield, Executive Director, Georgia Arborist Association, (770) 554-3735.

[pantheraba]

Here are pictures from last year:

[pantheraba]

more

[pantheraba]

Last ones...

[Bodean]

Great Photos, I love work collaborations.

Did they line you out or were y'all the experts and sought the trees that needed treatment?

Great stuff.

[pantheraba]

Great Photos, I love work collaborations.

Did they line you out or were y'all the experts and sought the trees that needed treatment?

Great stuff.

Some folks had come in before us and had a lot of the lining up done...the picts of Carl and Guy checking trees was the day before work when Guy was still evaluating trees so they could be assigned for work on Saturday.

It was very well organized with excellent documentation of which trees needed work. I don't remember the exact details of how they had that set up...Carl might. I probably have the paperwork if I can find it.

Carl, Guy, Blinky...chime in whenever you can.

[lumberjack]

Just saw the thread, chiming in!

Tearing up stuff is on whoever tore it up. Some of the trees have been seriously mangled by previous encounters with lowest bid tree guys.

They basically did a survey and made notes when a tree needed aerial work. They might say "deadwood" or something of that nature, but overall what was done was up to us, rip cuts and all. ;)

[arborworks1]

So are you guys going back this year? I am thinking I'll be able to make this trip, wanted to attend last year but work got in the way.

[Blinky]

Nice pics... I was the lucky boy that got that poison ivy tree. My forearms itched for a week after that... and I'm not allergic.

I don't think I can do it this year but if I can find a way to work it out, I'll be there.

The way i remember it, we did a standard crown cleaning, of all dead and hazard wood over 2" diameter on every tree we could get to. Guy made some recommendations on a lightening tree, removal I think, but it was to be done later.

Some of the trees there are amazing, mostly giant post oaks but there was a lot of variety all around.

Nice BBQ lunch and tree planting ceremony too.

Last year we were short of ground crew for the individual climbers that showed up... bring a groundie if you go. Full PPE was required, no sawing on the ground without chaps and stuff so be prepared. Good camping right next to the park.


That was such a great experience. It's solemn but uplifting place to work. If you can go, you should go, you won't regret it. Climbers come from all over.

[treelooker]

Eric G did the original inventory. he flagged 3 for closer inspection; blinky got to inspect and prune one of them and he did a fine job tho it was challenging. he also helped assess the one that got hit by lightning; we had to condemn it. :(

story on page 8 here http://www.tcia.org/PDFs/TCI_Mag_June_07.pdf

I'd like to go back; thanks for the tickle, gary; i'll see if they want to put some of our tax dollars to good use by buying lightning protection eqpt for us to install. ;)

[pantheraba]

I'd like to go back; thanks for the tickle, gary; i'll see if they want to put some of our tax dollars to good use by buying lightning protection eqpt for us to install. ;)

Lightning protection would be a nice touch...hope it comes through.

Arborworks, hope you can make it..'twas a great opportunity to meet some fine folks and provide a needed service...I am looking forward to it again.

[lumberjack]

I'm going :)

Just to review:

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:lol:

[xtremetrees]

I will try and make it again this year.
Thinning the canopy view circled area below as an animation photo examples of thinning printer-friendly page

Objectives: 1) Thinning allows sunlight to penetrate to interior foliage which will help keep interior branches alive. As a result, the diameter of the main branches increases near the trunk, making the main branches stronger. 2) Thinning also can reduce the incidence of foliage diseases by increasing air flow and allows more light to reach the ground beneath the tree. 3) More air passes through the canopy instead of pushing against it, so trees may resist storm damage better. 4) Thinning gives the tree a pleasing, lacy appearance that adds certain elegance to the landscape.



Before pruning, the canopy is very dense toward the outer edge. The canopy might be shading desirable plants below.


Remove small branches from the outside portion of the canopy, not from the interior.


After thinning, the outer portion of the canopy is thinner. Little has changed on the interior of the canopy because few branches were removed from there.


Removing only lower and interior branches results in a weak tree. This so-called lions-tailing causes problems. DO NOT prune trees in this manner.


Introduction: Thinning reduces density of live branches in a tree. The entire canopy can be thinned or just a portion. Thinning increases light penetration and air movement through the canopy and reduces weight. Increased light and air stimulates and maintains interior foliage which can encourage taper on scaffold branches. Thinning toward the tips of a branch can reduce the wind-sail effect of foliar clumps in the crown, and relieve the weight of heavy limbs. Proper thinning should retain canopy shape. Clearing out inner foliage can have adverse effects on the tree and should be avoided. Vigorous production of watersprouts on interior limbs is often a sign of over-thinning.

Give the most consideration to performing canopy thinning in locations where the root zone is restricted by urban structures such as curbs, streets, sidewalks, and buildings. Roots are often deflected by these structures, making the trees less stable compared to trees in an area where roots can grow unimpeded. Trees in open, exposed, and windy situations also are good candidates for thinning. Thinning can be used to increase the light reaching the ground beneath a tree. Do not remove many live branches, even small ones, from the interior portion of the canopy or from the lower half of the main branches. The size range of parts to be removed, the location in the canopy, and the percentage of live foliage to be removed should be specified by the arborist.

Execution: Thinning does not influence the size or shape of the tree. Thinning should result in an even distribution of branches along individual limbs, not a grouping toward the ends. Do this by removing some of the branches from the edge of the canopy, not from the interior! Caution must be taken not to create an effect known as lion tailing, which is caused by removing an excessive number of interior laterals and foliage. This displaces foliar weight to the ends of the branches and may result in sunburned bark tissue, watersprouts, reduced branch taper, weakened branch structure, and breakage. Before thinning, first, clean the canopy, then proceed with thinning as follows.

Do not remove more than about 15 to 20% of the live foliage on a mature tree at one time or sprouting may result. Often 5 to 10% is enough on mature trees. Excessive sprouting can be an indication that the tree was over-pruned. Up to about 25% of the live foliage can be thinned from young trees. Provided you did not remove more than this amount of live foliage while cleaning the canopy, prune small branches from the edge of the canopy. A handsaw or small chain saw is usually the appropriate tool for this job; taking a large chain saw to do this work in the tree can tempt the arborist to remove large diameter branches which would be inappropriate. Thinning is a delicate process that removes small diameter (usually 1-2 inch) branches. Remove those growing parallel and close to nearby branches or those competing for the same space in the canopy. Appropriately thinned trees may not look like they were pruned.
Credit: Author unknown

[treesandsurf]

Oh man... I want to go!

jp:D

[lumberjack]

Well come on then! ;)

[arborworks1]

Who was ripping limbs, Carl?

[lumberjack]

The people that were there before us, a few years before from the looks of it, did some seriously shoddy work.

[arborworks1]

Sucks You need to make a big poster to put out at the entrance!!

[lumberjack]

It seems some people will never learn.

[pantheraba]

Carl is headed my way later today. We'll stay at my place tonight and head down to Andersonville tomorrow, Friday. Ideally we will link up with Guy and Blinky and any other TreeHousers that will be there.

Check in if you plan to go so we can keep our eyes peeled for you.

[MasterBlaster]

I will try and make it again this year.
Thinning the canopy view circled area below as an animation photo examples of thinning printer-friendly page

Objectives: 1) Thinning allows sunlight to penetrate to interior foliage which will help keep interior branches alive. As a result, the diameter of the main branches increases near the trunk, making the main branches stronger. 2) Thinning also can reduce the incidence of foliage diseases by increasing air flow and allows more light to reach the ground beneath the tree. 3) More air passes through the canopy instead of pushing against it, so trees may resist storm damage better. 4) Thinning gives the tree a pleasing, lacy appearance that adds certain elegance to the landscape.



Before pruning, the canopy is very dense toward the outer edge. The canopy might be shading desirable plants below.


Remove small branches from the outside portion of the canopy, not from the interior.


After thinning, the outer portion of the canopy is thinner. Little has changed on the interior of the canopy because few branches were removed from there.


Removing only lower and interior branches results in a weak tree. This so-called lions-tailing causes problems. DO NOT prune trees in this manner.


Introduction: Thinning reduces density of live branches in a tree. The entire canopy can be thinned or just a portion. Thinning increases light penetration and air movement through the canopy and reduces weight. Increased light and air stimulates and maintains interior foliage which can encourage taper on scaffold branches. Thinning toward the tips of a branch can reduce the wind-sail effect of foliar clumps in the crown, and relieve the weight of heavy limbs. Proper thinning should retain canopy shape. Clearing out inner foliage can have adverse effects on the tree and should be avoided. Vigorous production of watersprouts on interior limbs is often a sign of over-thinning.

Give the most consideration to performing canopy thinning in locations where the root zone is restricted by urban structures such as curbs, streets, sidewalks, and buildings. Roots are often deflected by these structures, making the trees less stable compared to trees in an area where roots can grow unimpeded. Trees in open, exposed, and windy situations also are good candidates for thinning. Thinning can be used to increase the light reaching the ground beneath a tree. Do not remove many live branches, even small ones, from the interior portion of the canopy or from the lower half of the main branches. The size range of parts to be removed, the location in the canopy, and the percentage of live foliage to be removed should be specified by the arborist.

Execution: Thinning does not influence the size or shape of the tree. Thinning should result in an even distribution of branches along individual limbs, not a grouping toward the ends. Do this by removing some of the branches from the edge of the canopy, not from the interior! Caution must be taken not to create an effect known as lion tailing, which is caused by removing an excessive number of interior laterals and foliage. This displaces foliar weight to the ends of the branches and may result in sunburned bark tissue, watersprouts, reduced branch taper, weakened branch structure, and breakage. Before thinning, first, clean the canopy, then proceed with thinning as follows.

Do not remove more than about 15 to 20% of the live foliage on a mature tree at one time or sprouting may result. Often 5 to 10% is enough on mature trees. Excessive sprouting can be an indication that the tree was over-pruned. Up to about 25% of the live foliage can be thinned from young trees. Provided you did not remove more than this amount of live foliage while cleaning the canopy, prune small branches from the edge of the canopy. A handsaw or small chain saw is usually the appropriate tool for this job; taking a large chain saw to do this work in the tree can tempt the arborist to remove large diameter branches which would be inappropriate. Thinning is a delicate process that removes small diameter (usually 1-2 inch) branches. Remove those growing parallel and close to nearby branches or those competing for the same space in the canopy. Appropriately thinned trees may not look like they were pruned.
Credit: Author unknown

Who are you posting to, Robert?

[Skwerl]

He's posting to everyone except you, Butch. Because you don't like him. :P

[stehansen]

Good luck today guys.

[sotc]

have fun

[lumberjack]

I'm done working, fixing to get a shower and get the gear packed up so I can head to the mystical Pantherlandaba.

[Old Monkey]

Will his kids be there or are they out on ninja black ops?

[xtremetrees]

Who are you posting to, Robert?

Sorry cant make it this year. I am still scrambling alone. There is some expence incure I cannot afford again this year. I will try and make it in 2009.
Gary beings local and all feel free return my call, 770-345-3528, we can make a ninja movie anytime.

[pantheraba]

Will his kids be there or are they out on ninja black ops?

Hahaha...you know the standard line there...if I tell you....

XT, thanks for the offer...a ninja tree movie...Tony Jaa already did that one, called "Ong Bak, Thai Warrior" one of the best martial arts movies I have seen...awesome tree climbing, too.

Carl is about 10 minutes away...we are taking Alex and Hayden to dinner and just hanging out a bit after that.

Til later.

[xtremetrees]

tthats is so cool I slayed 7 trees n your neighhood today. Ashford Dunwoody? Why dont yall come ober and drink some beers! Im 45 minutes up 575 exit 20. We'll smoke out ifn yall want.

[MasterBlaster]

I thinl ya'll should hook up and pass a good time! :beer:

[xtremetrees]

If yall will come over I will guarentee over 100 rounds down range! That not tracer fire Its just to expensive. Beers on meh thou! I meet you guys half way at a bar my wife trust meh she said!!
Tommorrow I goota climb a tree 50"DBH and show a 8 year veter tree slayer how to climb with MarBars. Ill will buy you each 7 mixed drinks!!!
Panther, we could do the moneky style Kung Fu at hard rock. Carl would back us up beings he moves 4 tonns a day!

[MasterBlaster]

Beers and guns! Oh hell yeah!

[xtremetrees]

If they they show up were gonna shoot the damn guns, I dont give a durn my wife give me shoot about it. This is for Andersonville I'll cap off ever durn round thats well over 1000, ya;; want I take tomm off? Hey, I read you guys everyday!
I am a ture American even thou were get a bad name, today a brother at 45 years old a past leader for www.arborguard.com (the only dude i seen trowball every removal other than SOTC I knowed)was broke down ahd put boat gas in his new truck had water in it i guess, I stopped and offered a hand. You know mf dont give a damn anymore but I do, with MB's approval i be here next year and I hope to afford Andersonville.

[hmm]

Hey did you guys check ?????


I heard this was canceled - both from Charles Reyfield and Mark of GAA.

here is a link

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=125308&an=0&page=0#125308

new date is some time late october.


hmm - i am thinking here

[xtremetrees]

hmm I have never seen you, and welcome to the treehouse, I am on the verge of insanity with this group, this effort this nation, keep talking say what you like.

[arborworks1]

I was under the impression that Guy cancelled the work at Andersonville. ?? Or moved it till october

[treesandsurf]

I was under the impression that Guy cancelled the work at Andersonville. ?? Or moved it till october

Looks like it was moved to October.

http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=125308&an=0&page=0#125308

jp:D

[Paul B]

hm. someone shoulda told LJ and Pantherman, they seem well on their way to being there..

[lumberjack]

We're of the opinion that Guy canceled his WORKSHOP on installing lightning protection equipment.

I'll give Guy a call in around 8 to see what's the word.

[lumberjack]

Hmph, indeed it's been canceled. Apparently not a lot of folks "registered," although I never saw anywhere to register nor did I receive an email from them about the event, registering for the event, nor that the event was canceled.

Kinda chicken shit if anyone wants my take on it.

[treelooker]

New Date!

I did not see this thread here. I posted the new date in the Announcements forum as soon as i heard about it.

The good news is, they bought the lightning mtls, so 15 systems will go in Oct 25, if arborists are there to do it. Also we are looking at a dozen or more cables

[lumberjack]

Perhaps emailing those who were involved last year, informing them of the registration would be beneficial in having folks registered.

Steel or synthetic cables?

[treelooker]

Perhaps emailing those who were involved last year, informing them of the registration would be beneficial in having folks registered.

Steel or synthetic cables?Just steel right now; several of the cables could be dynamic because the forks were not cracked, but most of them should be steel because movement would aggravate the defects--crack in codoms.

Re the postponement, not my idea. Last year I thought everyone there had preregistered, so they would know to do it again. Evidently not; sorry you made the drive Carl, hopw you had a good visit anyway and we'll try to make it a good time in October.