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Jonseredbred
12-26-2007, 07:06 PM
Capt. James Hart was on ABC News tonite, I only caught the end of it. Someplace in the Middle East.

Jonny is this your brother???
MasterBlaster
12-26-2007, 07:08 PM
I think Jonny's bro is an NCO.
lumberjack
12-26-2007, 07:09 PM
Fairly certain MB is correct.
Jonseredbred
12-26-2007, 07:11 PM
NCO ?
Hobby Climber
12-26-2007, 07:15 PM
N.C.O.= Non Commissioned Officer! HC
Mr. Sir
12-26-2007, 07:15 PM
NCO ?

A non-commissioned officer
Newfie
12-27-2007, 08:44 PM
A non-commissioned officer

AKA, some sort of seargent.
Mr. Sir
12-27-2007, 10:19 PM
AKA, some sort of seargent.

Exactly. Not a captain.
Chisel Tooth
12-27-2007, 10:57 PM
An NCO is from the rank of corporal (E4) to Sergeant Major of the Army (E9)
MasterBlaster
12-27-2007, 11:08 PM
An NCO does NOT have a college degree.
Chisel Tooth
12-27-2007, 11:13 PM
And most of the officers I met didn't have any common sense. :D
MasterBlaster
12-27-2007, 11:15 PM
It's a strange game that's played out, the officers and the enlisted men.

My dad was an NCO, bummer. I twern't no rich kid.
Chisel Tooth
12-27-2007, 11:20 PM
I had a few good Lt's they seem to have a different attitude toward you once you reach E6. But buck sergeant and below your just dirt. At least that was the way it was where I was at.
See Ya
Mike
lumberjack
12-27-2007, 11:41 PM
An NCO does NOT have a college degree.

Being a NCO and a college grad are not mutually exclusive, although fairly uncommon.
Brian
12-28-2007, 07:45 AM
Being a NCO and a college grad are not mutually exclusive, although fairly uncommon.


Yup!
MasterBlaster
12-28-2007, 09:44 AM
I wasn't gonna get into the whole Warrant Officer thing.

Fairly uncommon? Gimme an example of an NCO with a college degree. That would be an extremely unwise move.
Chisel Tooth
12-28-2007, 09:49 AM
I hear ya Butch I don't know about the ones you met, the ones I did were out there, crazy bastages. Most were chopper pilots that I knew, don't get me wrong. These guys were great just a different breed.
lumberjack
12-28-2007, 10:22 AM
I wasn't gonna get into the whole Warrant Officer thing.

Fairly uncommon? Gimme an example of an NCO with a college degree. That would be an extremely unwise move.

Having a college degree can get you started out as an E4, and others have a college degree and worked their way up, or finish their degree while in the service.

A degree (minimum of 90 hours) is a requirement to become an officer, however, having a degree does not an officer make. Some people with degrees do not qualify for OTS, nor do they complete it.

If you are a contracted ROTC cadet, and you piss the CO off (he deems you unfit as an officer), or otherwise fail to fullfil your contract, you are still government property. We had one MS4 cadet (final year) nearly become enlisted.
MasterBlaster
12-28-2007, 10:27 AM
I still don't believe anyone with a college degree would accept an E-4. That's the stoopidest thing I've ever heard.

I need an example of someone dumb enough to do that.
GASoline71
12-28-2007, 10:13 PM
LMAO...

Common saying in all the military branches...

"It takes a College Degree to screw it up, and a High School Diploma to fix it..."

Gary
JonnyHart
12-29-2007, 05:41 PM
No, not my brother and to the best of my knowledge, of no relation.
My bro Pete is an E-4 specialist, and my bro Tim is a sergeant E-5. I was an E-4 when I got out, and if I wanted responsibility and wanted to be a rank whore, I probably could have gotten E-6.
Specifically, a bachelor's degree or better to be a commissioned officer, and it has to be in a field that the military can make some use of.
Newfie
12-29-2007, 06:20 PM
I was an E-5 promotable when I got out of the Guard. I had my bachelor's already and was drinking my way out of grad school. I enlisted strictly for the benefits and there was way too much bullshit and hoops associated with going the ROTC/ officer route. While I was at boot camp I got stuck tutoring one of my drill sgts. in history. He had to earn a certain number of college credits to move up the NCO ranks.

Things may have changed since you were in Butch.;)
MasterBlaster
12-29-2007, 06:26 PM
I'm saying that it rarely ever happens.
Newfie
12-29-2007, 06:30 PM
I'm saying that it rarely ever happens.

I think in today's military with education requirements for advancement, it is much more common, but I've been out for 10 years so I'm not as in touch as I could be.
MasterBlaster
12-29-2007, 06:32 PM
For sure. When I went in they were enlisting anyone.
Newfie
12-29-2007, 06:37 PM
For sure. When I went in they were enlisting anyone.

With the current situation I think we may back in that boat again. Wars will do that.


If I were still serving I would much rather be a well respected NCO than a joke of an officer, brains are no replacement for common sense.