Gun Safe

[Rotax Robert]

I cant get into my Safe, I usualy keep it unlocked ( that makes sense ) Anyway it is a Pony Expess and I thought I have tried every rotation combination but I aint opening. say the combo is 2-30-62 need specific rotation direction to start and end with and how many times you go past the middle # etc. if that makes sense

Rotax

[Paul B]

isnt it usually clear one way then to your number, two rolls the other to your number then to the third number? I havent opened a combo locker since years ago but thats how I remember it. :) if not, C4!

[fishhuntcutwood]

It's often twice past the first number (to the left on my safe), then back past it once to the second number, and then directly back to the third number.

Then on my safe, you have to also go back to where the dial stops after the three numbers, which is about "10" on my safe, and "0" on my Dad's safe.

Worse come to worse, you can usually contact the manufacterer (most safes are really made by one of a few makers) and they'll help ya out.

[Stumper]

Our safe is 4 turns CCW to a number ,3rd time CW stop on X then 2time CCW to Y followed by turning CW to stop on "Q".

[Rotax Robert]

Thanks Stumper, That worked perfect

[The Branch Doctor]

Glad you're in bro. I'd be flipping out if I couldn't get in my gun safe!

[Old Monkey]

Glad you're in bro. I'd be flipping out if I couldn't get in my gun safe!

Only if I had hid some chocolate from the kid in there. If I was jonesing enough I might rip it open.

[Stumper]

It could be a reality TV show. "Darin, there is 6 lbs of chocolate and a dozen fresh donuts in this safe. You may use any method you choose to access the goodies but your time in obtaining and eating the num-nums willl determine whether you move on to the next round. Are you ready?"

[Old Monkey]

You betcha!

[vharrison]

Thanks Stumper, That worked perfect

Cool, glad you got back in.

[lumberjack]

Speaking of safes, as my collection grows, I'm getting to the point where it feels foolish to not have them in a safe.

Any recommendations on a brand? My local guy sells Liberty safes (I'm fairly certain).

Looking to spend under $4kish.

Would prefer a inside hight of 72" and a flush floor, I think.


Granted, it'll be a couple/few/several months before I'm ready, but I like to know what I want.

[Paul B]

:D
http://www.davidpride.com/Army/images/US_Ft_Knox_03.jpg

[lumberjack]

Haha, dunno if that's big enough. I hate being cramped up.

[sotc]

we should get one before the boy gets to old. for 4k you can get a sweet set up with lights and all!

[Stumper]

Carl , There are a couple of ways to look at things. A very secure and fireproof safe is...well very secure and fireproof. It is also very expensive and signals to any would be thieves-"there is something really worth a lot in there."

For a fraction on the cost of a big fireproof safe you can buy several closet mountable longsafes and small fireproofs. Most thieves are in a hurry. If you make it inconvenient for them to find everything and don't make it look like this is worth a big assault you might wind up ahead. I am poor and cheap so important documents and a couple of handguns are in a fireproof and in another area I have a wallmounted steel box with some long guns. What I value the highest are probably my bows...and they are on display. Priorities I guess....

[sotc]

although the fire proof safe could be a tax write off if you buy it to store corperate seals etc:)

[MasterBlaster]

True Justin, but those BIG safes weigh ten jillion pounds. Even if the thieves noticed it they wouldn't be able to do much about it.

[Old Monkey]

What if the thieves had a mini-loader?

[Stumper]

Dy-no-mite!

[lumberjack]

Darin, the class of safe I'm looking at weighs 14-1800lbs, before you add contents, or, what most mini's weigh and about 2x what they can lift.

Justin, most likely, the safe will be concealed.

I value all my guns, but the monitary value of some is getting on up there.

[Paul B]

how the heck does one get something that heavy and assumedly awkward to move through a house for placement? Or are you limted to using it very near a point of entry?

[MasterBlaster]

Many times the house/room is planned ahead of time and is built around the safe.

[Paul B]

that I could understand but the bringing one into an existing home part throws me. Guess if they can build pyramids by hand most anything can be done. Trying to picture a dolly or something to maybe roll it in on but even that would have tremendous PSI ground pressure surely too high for a residential floor?

[Paul B]

hmm. googling 'move safe' I found this one here that looks reasonable. http://www.libertysafenorcal.com/safe_Lincoln.lasso

[Jonseredbred]

Cart w/wide planks on the floor to distribute load.

[Jonseredbred]

Carl, look for a safe made by Tyco/Sentry. They manufacture for many other brand names. They are high quality.

[lumberjack]

They have custom dollies made for moving safes. The local shop's can turn the safe anywhichaway.

Most safes are under 30" wide, so they can fit through a standard doorway.

[lumberjack]

Alright Andrew.


Also, we have a concrete foundation, as opposed to a conventional foundation. With a conventional, the floor would normally have to be re-enforced.

[Paul B]

there ya go. :)

[lumberjack]

http://www.libertysafenorcal.com/safe_Presidential.lasso

That's what Gary (owns the local shop) recommended.

The idea being it would last me for quite some time, perhaps a lifetime.

[Jonseredbred]

Why even screw around Carl?

http://www.rhinovault.com/Gun%20Vaults.htm

[Hobby Climber]

I got mine safe (vintage 4 # safe) from the City's police property room before they tore the building down to build a new one. Not bad for a case of beer eh!

It took the better part of the day to load it on my truck with 3 guys. Once home, I had to build a wooden ramp up to my back door and lower it down the stairwell on a piano skid via my truck & crappy hardware store rope.

Well the rope broke and the safe slid down the stairs and got pinned between the cart & upper floor support or "I"-beam. Had to kick out a basement window to get downstairs so I could free the skid from the safe. Then I was able to position it properly in my den.

I knew the 4 digit combination number but had the same problem of not knowing the rotation sequence! Thank god the door was left open and I was able to access the lock panel & see the tumblers to figure it out!!!

I gutted the inside shelving and replaced it with 3/4" plywood walls,(top & bottom). I partitioned off the safe in the middle with storage shelving on one half and a 12 position long gun rack on the other half.

I should have made more racks!!!
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Carl,

For that kinda money (4K'ish...), maybe you can build your own safe with solid concrete & steel walls and a heavy thick safe door & frame combo! I think they sells the doors w/frames so guys can customize their own room to taste. This may be over kill but I know some guys who have done this.

Just a thought is all.

HC

[Reddog]

True Justin, but those BIG safes weigh ten jillion pounds. Even if the thieves noticed it they wouldn't be able to do much about it.

Around here they just used a old wrecker. Put a cable around it and pull it through the wall. Take it down the road and cut it open. Finally one group got caught going down the road with the vault/safe swinging on the hook.

Same process for ATM's.

[Tom_Scheller]

Check out Zanotti (http://www.zanottiarmor.com/features1-3.html) They come in six pieces. Very well thought out. Easily disassembled and moved. When it's time for me to move up that's what I'll be purchasing.

TS