Ok, NoCal...

[Banned by Squirrels]

Looks like we're moving to Clearlake... http://www.city-data.com/city/Clearlake-California.html





Frans, anybody, could use some contacts/info, thoughts, etc.

Any and all are welcome, btw I did not pick this local but the wife got a bunch of money and a hair to go there soooo..... Lets hear it.

[MasterBlaster]

Damn, that place looks sweet!

[sotc]

great hunting and some casinos around. kinda remote

[Old Monkey]

I think it is a very pretty area. It is a little off the beaten track. I have been camping up there but have never done tree work there. Check out lake Pillsbury while you are there. Good luck with the move.

[Bodean]

Nice, Clearlake is mellow.

What town are you looking at? What side, North or South?
There is a bit of a difference.

I've done a bit of work up there.

Hot as Heck in the summer.

Mendo Forest is awesome.

[squisher]

Damn, looks nice!8)

[Banned by Squirrels]

:love: Love you guys.

Less that five minutes and three or more replies!

You all are the bomb.

[Old Monkey]

That's nice...um er uh...I mean I like you, but as a friend.

[MasterBlaster]

:drink:

[Banned by Squirrels]

Okayyyy,

Back on topic....

I'm right outside of the city of Clearlake on some point north of the city. (On the water!)

[Frans]

Clearlake has the dubious distinction of being the meth addict capital of Calif.
FYI.

Their are nice areas, but for some reason the few climbers who I know all come down here for work.

Clearlake was the place of a mercury mine long ago. Dont know if the lake is still contaminated or not..

Sorry to be so negative. I do have some friends who moved there and they are nice folks who own horses and have a stable.
I just dont think it is a place to try and do tree work as a living.

[Banned by Squirrels]

What you don't like Meth?

Seriously though, I'm going back to trees on the side I am tired of the feast/famine way of life. Plus like I said the wife has money now so I'm a kept man.

[Frans]

Just lock your stuff away and buy in a better area of ClearLake.

I wish I was a kept man, but my wife is still expecting me to keep her in comfort and style!

[vharrison]

Looks like a beautiful area! The housing market looks good as well. When are you moving? I still can't believe you would leave Hawaii.

EDIT: Meth capital?

[gf beranek]

Though there were once mercury mines in the area the mercury content in the lake is au-natural from the volcano, Konocti. My understanding anyway.

Meth capital? I though Willets was. It is bad though, everywhere.

[stehansen]

Welcome! I have just driven through there a couple of times and I thought the area was really nice. Beautiful Oak rolling hills if I remember correctly.

[treesandsurf]

Mark, I spent every summer in Nice (clear lake) growing up. My grandparents had a trailer there on the highway and sold antiques through a small shop. Just hearing about clear lake makes me nostalgic, great place for a boy to grow up... the lake and country and clean air... my brother and I would build tree forts and go fishing before dinner, then go to church on Sunday mornings. That kind of place when I was there.

However, as I got older I realized it can be a bit depressing there, maybe the whole meth scene (which is big there). It's a ton cheaper and you can get as rural as you like. Try it out, and if you love it most people stay there for the rest of their lives. Good luck!

As far as the tree work scene goes, I only know of one guy there who I worked with through Pacific Tree Care last summer. He has one truck and a chipper and seems at first sight like a renegade tree guy. No PPE and long hair, pretty clasic character. Anyway, he got up in the tree and was making perfect pruning cuts and did a great job, I loved the contrast! Check out Pacific Tree Care in Calistoga, pretty good company and might make more sense to make the commute and work in Calistoga rather than working for low wages in Lake County (which I am sure you can't make a whole lot up there, tree care isn't on the top of people's priority list I would imagine).



jp:D

[Frans]

Pacific Tree Care was seriously robbed by a meth head living in Lake County.

It is a beautiful area tho.

[Old Monkey]

Did anyone mention the mutated rogue alligator that lives in the lake and feasts on small children?

When I worked for a tree service in Santa Rosa, the Foreman of that crew lived up in Clear Lake. He was as sweet and easy to get along with as the Court mandated anger management classes could make him and hadn't driven down to San Fran to beat up gay people on a Friday night for some time. I wonder if he still lives there? Nah, he's probably moved to Soledad or Pelican Bay.

[stehansen]

So what does he do on Friday night?

[rumination]

Good luck with the move Mark. I hope it all goes well for you and your family.

[stehansen]

That's nice...um er uh...I mean I like you, but as a friend.

So Banned is stuck in the "friend zone"?

[Bodean]

It's

NORCAL.

not NoCal.

Come on.

Seriously, don't swim in the lake.

[stehansen]

Clearlake is famous in bowhunting circles as they have a big contest to shoot junk fish with bow and arrows once a year there.

[sotc]

and some of the nicest blacktails in the state

[Old Monkey]

Yeah, they're huge what with all the leakage from those old plutonium mines.

[sotc]

what ever it takes

[Banned by Squirrels]

Seriously, don't swim in the lake.


That's gonna make wake boarding a little difficult...

[stehansen]

I don't think Blacktails ever get huge.

[Banned by Squirrels]

Well plutonium has that effect on a lot of things...

[squisher]

:lol: Are you still excited to move there? I still say it looks like a beautiful place, you gonna be wake riding? I love wakeboarding good times!

[Banned by Squirrels]

Yeah, I'm cool with it. I do have to work (A little) though, and I was pushing for something not quite so rural.... But hey what the hell, we got an incredible place for the price of a shithole here...

[sotc]

I don't think Blacktails ever get huge.

their just sneaky sneaky! http://www.blacktailcountry.com/html/blkpage.htm

[Frans]

Yeah, I'm cool with it. I do have to work (A little) though, and I was pushing for something not quite so rural.... But hey what the hell, we got an incredible place for the price of a shithole here...

Drop me a PM when you get settled. Maybe a rec. climb would be good.

[sotc]

theres a back up sub for ya frans!!

[stehansen]

I shot 3 of them, only 1 going over 100 lbs. It the deer here. I grew up in Patterson which was really close to the coastal mountains and the deer there were all messed up. They used to migrate from the hills down to the San Joaquin river for the summer and when they put in the Delta-Mendota canal in the late 1950's it cut them off. So now you had to go 10 miles into the hills before you saw any deer and then they caught Blue Tongue. The biologists think it was brought in with some infected cattle. I haven't hunted them in 24 years. I feel like we should let the numbers rebound some before we start and I'm getting too old and lazy anyway.

[sotc]

i dont think they are managed well down there, fewer tags would be good but i wouldnt stop hunting

[stehansen]

Yeah, you are probably right. The place where we used to hunt used to cut off hunting on labor day as the owner didn't want any hunting during the rut.

[sotc]

its rut now here and i went out this morn!! heard a buck stomping and snorting but couldnt get sight of him

[Banned by Squirrels]

Drop me a PM when you get settled. Maybe a rec. climb would be good.

I'm down!

[Frans]

I shot 3 of them, only 1 going over 100 lbs.

:lol: I thought at first you were talking about 'subs.' :lol:

[stehansen]

Dang subs anyway, especially skinny ones.

[treesandsurf]

When are you heading out Mark?

jp:D

[Banned by Squirrels]

Hey everyone, we are here! It's a really nice house on the lake, (anyone need mooring?) Just getting a feel for the place having only been here one full day but I do see a lot of trees and a lot of bad pruning so I think there is room for a FNG round these parts.

Wish me luck!

[rumination]

Good luck Mark! Glad to hear you all got there safe and sound. Let us know how things go.

[MasterBlaster]

Good luck FNG!!! :P

[vharrison]

Congratulations on the move, best of luck to you!

[stehansen]

Welcome!

[treetx]

Drop me a PM when you get settled. Maybe a rec. climb would be good.

Let us know how that works out. :)

[Banned by Squirrels]

Welcome!

Ha! Thanks man.

Frans, I'll be PM'n you soon.:D

[sotc]

cool, hope you like it there

[treesandsurf]

what's an FNG?

jp:D

[Frans]

what's an FNG?

jp:D

If we told you we would have to kill you :P

[sotc]

some kind of new guy:)

[stehansen]

some kind of new guy:)

That's a really good way of explaining it.

[treesandsurf]

alright alright, I'm not even going to bother 8)

jp:D

[squisher]

Congrats on the move, but ya know what we need don't you? PICS!8)

FNG's always forgetting the important stuff.

[treesandsurf]

wait, I got it! It's f'in new guy... I'm fast alright :|:

jp:D

[stehansen]

If you are going to do tree work in Cali. you need to go here.

http://www.cslb.ca.gov/

[treesandsurf]

Is tree work grouped under Landscape Contractor?

jp:D

[stehansen]

No, it is a C61 which means that it is a limited specialty and then tree service is a D49, so for classification it reads like this C61/D49. So on that web page that I linked you to you click on the hypertext (43 different licensing classifications) and then you scroll down to C61 and click on that and then all the limited specialties come up and Tree service is D49.

[Frans]

go for the C-27. That way you can do anything related to the landscape. Gives you more options

[stehansen]

As I understand it even if you have the C-27 you are supposed to have the D-49 classification as an additional classification and then you are good to go for everything. I just checked the license of our local large landscape and tree service co. and they have the two mentioned above and 3 more classes, a general building, a concrete, and a earthmoving and paving class.

[Frans]

C27 - Landscaping Contractor
A landscape contractor constructs, maintains, repairs, installs, or subcontracts the development of landscape systems and facilities for public and private gardens and other areas which are designed to aesthetically, architecturally, horticulturally, or functionally improve the grounds within or surrounding a structure or a tract or plot of land. In connection therewith, a landscape contractor prepares and grades plots and areas of land for the installation of any architectural, horticultural and decorative treatment or arrangement.

No, Steve. A c-27 allows any work outside the home. your local large landscape and tree co. are idiots.

I say 'idiots' because they obviously are attempting to C.Y.A., by getting overlapping certs.
This mentality pisses me off because what it does is set a precedent. So even tho the actual governing body is clear about it, some lawyer will point to this company and say, "they did it, so you should too".

This issue of contractors lic. has two main points about it. One I agree with, in that a lic. contractor is aware and bound to, certain levels of professionalism.
The other, is revenue enhancement. Prehaps even more important in the states eyes.
The state will never discourage multiple licences as each lic. bought, means 'mo money for the state.

[stehansen]

I'm just trying to be compliant and as usual it's not all that clear.

[sotc]

my license will allow me to prune and remove trees, build a house, pour concrete. it wont allow me to plant trees and shrubs :roll:

[Frans]

I'm just trying to be compliant and as usual it's not all that clear.

What exactly is not clear? :?

C27 - Landscaping Contractor
A landscape contractor constructs, maintains, repairs, installs, or subcontracts the development of landscape systems and facilities for public and private gardens and other areas which are designed to aesthetically, architecturally, horticulturally, or functionally improve the grounds within or surrounding a structure or a tract or plot of land. In connection therewith, a landscape contractor prepares and grades plots and areas of land for the installation of any architectural, horticultural and decorative treatment or arrangement.

[MasterBlaster]

my license will allow me to prune and remove trees, build a house, pour concrete. it wont allow me to plant trees and shrubs :roll:

My landscaping buddy has the inverse complaint. :drink:

[sotc]

which means?

[Frans]

which means?

The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe
8)

[MasterBlaster]

It means he can't trim or TD any trees, even the little ones.

[sotc]

oh, thats here to. landscapers can work on trees up to 15 feet tall and so many inches dbh

[stehansen]

I checked and Frans is absolutely right. With a C-27 Landscaper license there are no restrictions for doing tree work. I'm thinking about changing mine and getting that one.

[Frans]

I checked and Frans is absolutely right.


Uh huh! Uh huh! Thats right, I be the man, uh huh. Bow down before the one you serve, uh huh, uh huh :big-dance2:

--sorry, lost my head there for a second, now back to your regularly programmed session....8)

[stehansen]

:roll:

[MasterBlaster]

:lol:

[sotc]

frans is a bottom feeder with sole!

[Frans]

ya gotta take credit where ya can grab it in this dog eat dog world!



:)

[Banned by Squirrels]

All good stuff.

Thanks guys!

[Koa Man]

In Hawaii, tree service is C27B and hydro mulching is a C27C. If you have a C27 (landscaping) you automatically have the B & C subclassifications. A C27B in Hawaii does not allow you to do tree planting, only pruning and removals, including stump grinding.