Rope bag project...

[Hobby Climber]

Hi all,

Just bringing this thread over to MB's new forum. This rope bag project has gone through a few changes over the last several month. All bags are quality built but I'm still tweeking the designe a little to improve even greater stability, durability & practicality.

The new All Blue bags are built similar to the original style with its doubled bottoms and sides half way up the bag but now the vertical seam is located between one of the web handle offering less stress on the stitching when being lifted.

Next, I've changed the bags drawstring cord and am now using chainsaw pull cord,(5' length) for its drawstring. This way if you ever break you saws pull cord while at a job site, you can replace it with the drawstring from This rope bag!

There has been a long delay in making the bags because I was not crazy about that last role of webbing that I purchased,(used to make the handles). Wasn't the right weave and just not stiff enough! Instead of sending it back, I've folded it in half lengthways and use it as a stiffener under the vertical webbing along the bag that formes the handle. This changes the bags shape slightly & makes the bag stand up much better. If I were to use a plastic stiffener instead of the web stifener, over time the plastic would wear a hole in the material,(hard on soft rubbing).

As mentioned above, the new bags are all blue on the outside. To identify my bags from others on the market, the inside bottom will be yellow... Just Because!

The person that I have making the bags, ("The Bag Lady") is now working a full time day job, getting bags made will take a little longer than expected. The high quality of the construction & sewing will stay the same.

At this time, all the new blue 16" bags I have are spoken for but I do have two of the blue & yellow 15" bags and one B & Y 14" bag left. It will be some time in mid to late September before I have more bags to sell. If anyone would like to order a bag(s), just PM me with your name address & Phone Number and we'll go from there.

All bags are $25.00 each + $2 for pack-envelope + shipping,(varies depending on location).

Thanks again to everyone who offered there suggestions in the past in the development of this rope bag .

Check out the pics. HC

[lumberjack]

Bob, did some dropping of your bag today outta the crane, it held up quite well. Its the solid blue bag, had 200' of velocity and a Rope Guide in it.


The only thing I say could be added to help the bag in any way was a shoulder strap. In miniapps is when I first noticed a shoulder strap would help.


Bags are holding up GREAT!

[Banned by Squirrels]

I can't believe I hadn't heard of your latest venture...

If you have more give me a pm. :)

[Hobby Climber]

B.B.Squirrels...PM sent!

Carl, cood stuff, was there any stress on any of the stitching? Shoulder strap eh!...could be done, what are your thoughts regarding type of attachment connectors and there location on the bag? HC

[MasterBlaster]

Just like the TH tees! Cool!

[lumberjack]

The stitching is holding up fine as far as I can tell. I tossed the bag out ahead of me yesterday when the man basket was coming down.

Attachements? CMI's shoulder strap rarely gets in the way, and its a good enough length.... prerhaps sewing on either side would work, although non adjustable. Attaching top to bottom, carrying the bag vertical, IMO.

[Hobby Climber]

Carl,

I could make the handles longer similar to the CMI bags but owning one, I found that it tends to snag branches more often than if the handles were shorter.
My goal with this bag project was to make a quality bag that will stand up OPEN without all the bells & whistles. Just about anything is possable but that may increase the price. Simplest way would be to add a couple of web loops on the outside of the bag at a strategic location. This way, the owner of the bag has the option to add a shoulder strap if they wish. The shoulder strap could be simply a length of rope tied to the loops or a carabeener could be used or just borrow a regular shoulder strap from an existing gym bag.
I could have them made for the bag but that would change the price to some degree. I'm just trying to keep the bag simple & practical is all.

BTW, a suggestion was made earlier about making the bags with a loop on the inside of the bag near the bottom to attach your rope end to. Simple enough to do without changing the price. Would this be something you guys would like to see? It would be inside of the bag opposit the vertical webbing thats outside so you won't see the stitching. Thought about having it on the bottom but that, over time, may cause it to wear prematurly.
Personally I'm not crazy about the shoulder strap concept but thats just me. As far as the loop inside of the bag, that easy to do and would not take up hardly and material at all or any extra time to make. For those who want a shoulder strap I'll say this...you designe it and I'll get you a price after talking to "The Bag Lady"!

Your thoughts? HC

[Stumper]

Hc, Did I understand correctly that you have a couple of smaller bags still? If so I'm interested-if not put me on the order list.

[Hobby Climber]

Stumper,

Still waiting for a couple guy to make a decision who contacted me first. Once I get there answer, I'll let you know if I'll have any left. I'll let you know by Friday this week!

Just PM me your Address and Phone number & I'll get back to at the end of the week. Bob

[Hobby Climber]

Good news, I have 5 bags ready now and another will be ready come Monday,(need to install gromets on #6)!

All 6 bags will be sent out this week by Tuesday so you'll be getting them shortly.

Sorry for the delay but the "Bag Lady" has a full time job & thier taking a while getting made!

I'm going to make a large batch of 10 bags before the end of the year so if anyone in interested, PM me with **Name...Address...& Phone Number** well before then! Thanks. HC

[Skwerl]

I would have sent the money already but you won't give me a mailing address!

[Hobby Climber]

...PM sent

[Frans]

I like your bags but I have been using the mesh bags. They stand up on their own well, are incredibly durable, and have a hard plastic bottom.
The big advantage to me is I can see what rope is in the bag. With as many ropes as I have, it is easy to grab the wrong one in a cloth bag.
Marking the bags is not a good way to go as my ropes change more often than the bags or ropes get put into different bags than they came out of.

[Hobby Climber]

Hi Mr.Frans.

I see your point and for you, with that much rope, using the mesh bag(s) makes the most sence!

The approach I took was more of a practical one. My bags are strong, stand up nicely, and will not get destroyed when Lumberjack (Carl) tosses them out of a crane to the ground while filled with rope! ha ha

There are no hard stiffeners at all in the bag that will cause wear holes over time. Haven't tryed it yet but I'm sure you could crush it into a tight ball & drive over it with a truck and it would be ok. Just give it a shake to re-forme it and its good to go.(I got to try that this week)! Its keeps it shape because of the way its put together...(long story)! Also as a bonus, the draw string I now use is chainsaw pull-cord in case the one on your saw breaks!

The cool mesh bags sell for $46 to $56 depending on size. All my bags are $25each regardles of size. Again...I took the practical & cost effective rout! HC

[Frans]

I would like to be able to buy smaller mesh bags.
Why dont you make me some? :) Say about 12 for an initial order?

[Rborist1]

A mesh window could be sewn onto the side of the bag, making rope ID easy and the bag would still remain stiff. Plus it would also be totally unique. :)

[MasterBlaster]

Or it could be a clear piece of thick, flexible plastic.

[Hobby Climber]

A see through window on the bag for rope ID... Interesting. I'll talk to the "Bag Lady" and see what we can come up with! I like that idea!!!;)

Frans, an all mesh bag eh! I'll have to start from scratch and look into the different materials and see whats available...cost etc. Again, I'll ask and see if we can do it! HC

[TC3]

Hobby, this is a most awesome undertaking. As soon as the budget allows, there will be an order coming from moi.
Cool Beans, Laddy!

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

You got me thinking ablut mesh bags. This will be a Winter Project for me & I have no idea if it will work or not. I already have a few idea for the designe. I'll be changing the bottom because I don't like that hard plastic. I just have to find a supplier that sells the mesh material and start experimenting with some prototypes.

If you or anyone else can tell me the name & number of a company thats sells that mesh materias, please tell me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Frans, if you have an old mesh bag your no longer using, I could use a sample of that material to try and find a match. If so, let me know & I'll PM you my address.

BTW, do you have preferance regarding the bags dementions or any other ideas??? Please let me know & I'll se what I can come up with.
HC

[Frans]

Hobby Climber, everyone and their brother makes rope bags and have done so for ages.
However only a few make mesh bags. This could be your 'hook' into a great market.
I also dont like the hard plastic bottom.
Sorry dont have a bag thats worn out yet but the mesh should be available somewhere.
So HURRY UP DAMMIT and make some. I'll preorder and pay if you want. I bought the bags through Charly's International Charly Portoroff.
http://www.charlysinternational.com/
Frans

[Hobby Climber]

Hold on to your money for now Frans. Just help me find a place thats sells that mesh material and I can get started. I've been looking but so far nothing yet! I'll call one of my suppliers in Toronto in the morning, it they don't have it, its not available in Canada! In the mean time, I'll keep checking the web! HC

[Mangoes]

http://www.westerntarp.com/fabrics.htm

[Hobby Climber]

Mangoes,

Thanks for the help. They don't carry that type of material anymore but they did put me in touch with a different company that put me in touch with a distributor that put me in touch with a retaler that can get it from a distributor! #-o

I've called a few different places and ordered samples...so with any luck, they'll arrive within a few weeks. Once I find the material I want, I'll order a roll & get started on a prototype. Everything in time eh! HC

[Frans]

You probably know all this and are ahead of me but...
I was thinking maybe (4) 1" stiff webbing strips going up the sides. the opening also 1" webbing. This would help it stand up when empty but also be able to crush down for packing around empty.
The bottom, 1 layer of 1000 denier cordura.
The body, super heavy duty mesh fabric.
Your chain saw pull cord drawstring closure seems like a good idea but I have a few questions:
Have you engineered the pull cord so it can be easily threaded into the bag, even in the field?
How is the pull cord kept tight when the bag is drawn closed?
Usually a type of flat tape cord is used because it will slide easily through the 'tunnel' of fabric at the top of the bag. Also the 'tape' will allow itself to be held firmly in place by any one of the spring type closures.

If you can make a prototype, I know several dealers who, with a little encouragment from me, would consider marketing your invention.
Either way, I am interested in at least 4 bags to start with.
However the size is important to me. I dont want huge bags but bags for climb line 120' and 80' lengths.
I will consider larger bags but I already have 5 or 6 of the buckingham larger mesh bags.
Color is illrelevent to me.

[Hobby Climber]

I see we are on the same page Frans! I'll be using a doubled bottom as on my other bags...it helps hold the shape better and adds strength/durability.

I'll have to see how the web handles straps work along the side on this mesh bag. The ones I make now have a seperate piece of webbing thats been been cut in half length ways, sewn together and inserted between the vertical web straps and the bag to add stiffness & shap. I'll have to make a few different prototypes just to see which version will work the best!

I also was thinking of the webbing around the top rim of the bag and adding grommets through the webbing. Will see how the chainsaw pull-cord works on it. I like it(c/s cord) because it holds its round shap and slides well through the grommets. A thumb lock is used on the cord to hold the bag closed and seems to work well.

Did you want the soft rip-stop nylon closure at the top or with grommets like on my other bags? Pros & cons with each designe!

I hope to have some samples with in a week or two and once I get the right type of mesh material, I'll order some & get to work on the prototypes!

Any other suggestions are welcome! HC

[Hobby Climber]

Just kicking around some ideas...


1)Rope Bag with mesh bottom.

2)Rope Bag with mesh on upper half.

3)Rope Bag with mesh bottom and mesh upper half & blue on bottom half.


I like No.#3 because it will give the best strength and keeps its shape better allowing quick Rope ID !!!!!!!!!


Now, its a matter of pull cord & grommets (like on the bags I make now), OR go with a soft nylon closure with a drawstring tape?

Your thoughts. HC

[Skwerl]

IMO the soft nylon closures such as on the Sherrill/ Buckingham rope bags totally bite. I have one of those bags and only use it for a spare bullrope because I hate trying to feed the rope back in the bag. It's also the most expensive rope bag I own, the oldest and the least used. As soon as I get my next 2 from HC I'll probably turn it into a 'storage' bag for ropes I'll never use again but are too good to throw away...

Soft top closures are completely opposite of what you're trying to accomplish with a rope bag.

[Frans]

Did you want the soft rip-stop nylon closure at the top or with grommets like on my other bags?
No, leaving the top open lets more air circulate throughout the entire bag. Air means dryer ropes.

The simpler the best in my opinion.

[Hobby Climber]

Glad to hear that! This will make the bag cost less, put together faster and be more efficient. Like the man said...K.I.S.S. ! HC

[Hobby Climber]

Had a good long talk with the "Bag Lady" and I believe we now have the designe worked out for this new mesh bag!

Just waiting on the samples. If its the matrial I think it is...its friken expencive! Good thing is, there will be less of it (mesh matrial) needed to make the bag!

We've worked all the bugs out on paper but the only way to know for sure is to get a prototype built & test it.

I'm likeing what I see so far!!! :thumb: HC

[Skwerl]

I got a package in the mail today from Bob and opened it to find the two rope bags I ordered from him. I got to tell you folks, the pictures don't do them justice! I'm very impressed with the materials and construction.

Off to the post office because I got busy and forgot to mail the check last week!
:oops:

[Hobby Climber]

BrendonV & Monkeypuzzle...i sent you a PM.;) HC

[Paul B]

hobby, any sign of my latest order ? :)

[Hobby Climber]

Paul,

I'll have more ready by next week but I'm up north moose hunting next week. Once I get back,(end of the month), I'll send them out to you.

Sorry for the delay.

Bob

[Stumper]

Bob, I hope you do some moose finding.

[Hobby Climber]

Stumper,

Me too, all I need is the opportunity,;) ! HC

[GASoline71]

Bob... PM sent.

Gary

[Hobby Climber]

Thanks Gary,

I sent you one back. HC

[brendonv]

Got my bags today...I will recommend them to anyone, absolutelly excellent quality and workmanship!

Thanks BOB!

[Buzz]

Lets see some pics then ;)

[brendonv]

Bob's bags next to CMI bag.

[Buzz]

Nice, how much ?

[brendonv]

$25 (Canadian) Each + Envelope + Shipping.

Well worth it IMO.

[Skwerl]

Brendon, make your bed. :P

And yes, these rope bags ROCK! Much better than the CMI bags I've been using for the last several years, without all the gimmicky unnecessary crap found on other bags (hint- Buckingham and Sherrill).
:D

[chucky]

Top-notch quality rope bags, Bob. They feel extremely durable. Now I just have to get out of the habit of automatically coiling my ropes!


Bob, I hope you do some moose finding.

I like how the Stumpster worded that, because ALL the challenge is in the find. Once you do find one, then it's simply a matter of strolling up to it and shooting it dead.

[Hobby Climber]

I'm back early from moose hunting...bad weather,(wind & rain) made for an unsuscessful trip! Did see a wolf, them things are huge!!!


I went to visit "The Bag Lady" yesterday and she had this MESH bag ready for me,(see piscs). I'm very excited about it. Its light, see-through and stands up Open just like the other bags I make! Only thing left to do is install grommets and chainsaw pull cord for the drawstring!

That this bag is going to be a winner, IMHO!

Everyone can thank Frans for suggesting that I start making mesh bags, it was his idea that inspired me.


The bag in the picture will be going to Frans for field testing and refinement. Any question about preformance should be directed to him at this time. He WILL have the bag in about two weeks or so. I still have to add the grommets & cord yet!

It will be some time yet before I can get a price worked out for this bag. The mesh is not cheap and the construction is kinda tricky. Bags will be all blue with black web handles, blue water resistant material for the outside bottom and my signiture yellow inside bottom. The sides of coures will be blue mesh!

I was going to offer the bag in different colours but it would cost to much to buy this mesh material in small quantities! So blue black & yellow (as described above) is the way its gonna stay for now. Sorry.


Enjoy the pictures. HC

[Skwerl]

We wanna see a picture of the 'bag lady'! Is she camera shy? She deserves a big chunk of the credit as well, her craftsmanship is impeccable!
:D

[RIVERRAT]

Bob, I will take one of your rope bags. I wish you could make one with side or interior pockets. Both would work best. I would not be using this for rope but for a tackle bag on "THE RIVER". With sinkers & what not, my tackle bag weighs in at around 35-50lbs. I need pockets to protect my balsa wood bobbers & other fragile items. You have a PM

[Hobby Climber]

Guys, thanks for the PM's but I WILL NOT be ready for production for at least two month from now. I will need the feed back from Frans yet before I can get started. As far as prices go, that will have to be worked out after I order the material in BULK! I can tell you this, because of the cost of the mesh material & issues with construction, The mesh bag will be a little more than the all fabric bags I now make.

Please DO NOT send in your orders or money untill I'm ready. My last post was only to give you guys a heads up as to good things to come is all.

I'd like to thank everyone for your interest in this project~! HC

[Paul B]

Bob. can you update the availability of the fabric bags?

[Frans]

Here are two pictures of the CMI rope bag.
THe mesh bag by Hobby Climber seems to be about the same with a few changes. But basicly the same configuration.
HC's rope bag appears to be slightly tapered out from bottom to top. The bottom is more reinforced/ layered.

What I noticed first with the mesh bag is it seems to be rather stiff at the top where the grommets are to be placed. I am wondering if the pull cord will be able to close the bag enough to keep the rope from coming out. Also if the top is too stiff, it seems like the pull cord draw string will be eaten away by rubbing on the sides of the grommets kinda like what happens with our boot laces over time. Grommets are not that strong really so will the pull cord wear grooves in the grommets?
I would also put a grommet in the bottom so water can leak out. (see pic)

All in all I like the concept and I wonder why no other manufactuer has made these before. I asked BUckinham to make a smaller mesh bag but they declined because the plastic bottom is too expensive to re-design in a smaller model.
HC has taken care of that by making a bag with a strong bottom. That helps the bag to stay upright but keeps the overall weight down vrs. the heavier Buckinham mesh bags.

Ropes should be stored in a place were they can air out. Also having multiple rope bags with all the ropes hidden from view makes it hard to identify which rope is which. So a mesh bag makes them easier to see and stay aired out.
Lots of folks write the rope length and diameter on the outside of the rope bag for easier identifying, but when you change bags and ropes for whatever reason, the marks become outdated. I have bags with lots of crossed out marks on them. I would prefer to be able to at least get a view of what is inside the bag.

Better watch out HC! Someone will steal your design just like the Folding Cube throw line bag design was stolen from the germans by the Chinese mass producers!

[Hobby Climber]

Paul B,

Your bag will be done this week & in the mail by the end of the week! Sorry for the delay but I only have one person (The Bag Lady) making them at this time. I'm looking for another person or two to make them for me at this time.



Frans,

The bags are NOT tapered at all, its just a bad photo on my part. The bags top rim, bottom & webbing act like a frame for the mesh. The grommets are made of nickle plated brass and should hold up just fine over time! I'll be using the same chainsaw pull cord for the drawstring as on my other bags and a thumb lock will hold it in place when closed.

I will not be using a larg grommet in the bottom of the bag. 1)-I havent got a grommet press large enough.And 2)-The bag is mesh...just turn it on its side to allow water to empty! Air circulation through the mesh will take care of the rest!

The bottoms are the same as on my other bags but the construction is different on the upper part and much trickier to build. You'll notice that there is no visible seam along the side on the bag! Its been sewn together and the vertical web strap (that forms the handle), is sewn over it to hide it and add strength to the seam. This makes for a much cleaner looking finish! *** (You can see the vertical seam in the last picture above)!

You should be able to beat the hell out of this bag and it'll take it! I'm very happy with the way it turned out and sure others will also!

Your bag (the one in the pic above), will be sent out this week, hope you like it. HC

[Paul B]

Bob, no worries on the shipping etc, just asking. :)

[Hobby Climber]

Paul B & Gasoline71,

Your bags are done and will be in the mail Wednesday 25th!





Frans & others interested in the MESH bag,

I now have the gromets in this first prototype mesh bag. Once I got it home tonight & had a better look at it, I noticed a few problems!

A couple stitching issues need to be addressed and for the most part its just a matter of the technique used to put it together,no big deal. The other is the top rim section. This is a big deal and will have to be redesigned! There are 4 different areas on the bags construction & designe that I want changed before I'm happy with it. The isssues are fairly easy to correct but will take a bit more time in the bags construction is all. If all goes well, I'm hopping to have the next prototype completed by the end of this weekend. Cross your fingers!

Keep in mind that the bag I make now,(the all fabric one) took me about 6 or 7 versions untill I got it right! With what I learned from developing that one, I can pin point the issues with this mesh bag and correct the problems much quicker.

I'm still very excited about this mesh bag, so much so that I took the plunge & ordering a bulk 30 meter role of this mesh fabric. If everything works out the way I think it will...great for everyone. If it doesn't work out...then I guess I have the makings for a very expencive snow fence or minnow net!!!:lol: Time will tell. HC

[Paul B]

groovy Bob. dont forget to send a bill ;)

[Hobby Climber]

No problem. "It's in the bag"! ;) HC

[Hobby Climber]

Was up late with "The Bag Lady" last night trying to figure out how to correct the top rim issue.

(...note to self, never try to over think a simple problem when both people are tired) !!!

We had many very over the top solutions untill I sat back remembered that saying... K.I.S.S. ! The 2nd prototype will be finished this weekend.

Keep watching, you will not be disapointed! HC

[squisher]

Hi HC I've watched this thread for long enough PM sent. (sent twice oops)
:what:

[Hobby Climber]

PM's recieved and one sent back to you!

[High Scale]

Received them today Bob, thanks very much, quality products they are for sure, unlike my picture quality:)

[squisher]

Those bags look great. Also I like the idea of using the pullcord like that. I always used pullcord for the drawstring on my backpacks while working in the bush. Great idea always bound to come in handy sooner or later.

[Hobby Climber]

Well, here is my 2nd attempt with this Mesh Bag!

1st one was ok and I was able to see what areas needed to be tweeked. This 2nd one is much better but I'm still not as happy with the top as I'd like to be. Also, I will be trying a different technique with the webbing along the sides.

Its hard to see from the pictures just whats been done but i can tell you this, there was alot!

I've got the "Bag Lady" working on #3 and know that the side issue WILL be sorted out for sure. The top will work out better than #2 but may need some experamenting with to get the right combination of stifness & flexability!

As of now, the bag works ok but I want it to work better! With each prototype I'm getting closer & closer to the perfection I seek.

I will have the 3rd prototype made by next week & we'll have to see where it goes from there.

Till then enjoy the pics. ;)

This prototype is a 15" bag with a 12" base.
The first three pic are holding 195' of 1/2" climbing rope. The last two pics are holding 90' of 1/2" climbing rope.

[GASoline71]

Those mesh bags look nice Bob!!!:)

Gary

[Frans]

the 90' of velocity seems to fill the bag up about a third. So ideally, a smaller bag for the common length of 120', then the size pictured could be for longer ropes or bull ropes.
The bags are looking good! I would buy some for sure.

[TC3]

Those mesh bags look nice Bob!!!:)

Gary

Ab-so-friggin'-lute-ly SWEET !

[Hobby Climber]

Ya, that 90' of rope in the last two bag pics had been compacted down by the other hank that was on top. I think that a 14" bag would be just fine for your shorter ropes. Any smaller I think you would have a more difficult time trying to flake it into the bag!

Frans, your bags been shipped out to you this morning. Give it at least 10 days to reach you!

Like I mentioned, I'm still not 100% satisfied with it but its getting closer each try! The next one will be 14" & I'm changing the upper section to see if it makes any difference. Let me know what you think of this one once you get it Frans.

Thanks again for the interest guys! HC

[Paul B]

hey Bob! the bag came yesterday in the post, thank you sir, look s good next to its little brother. and the first is holding up fine, under my casual usage. ;)

check is in the mail!

[High Scale]

Now I want a mesh bag, stop bringing out sexy bags please Bob.

[pantheraba]

Scale High, this guy is making me crazy, too. I need to buy more rope so I can buy his bag to put it in!!!! aaarrrggghhh

[brendonv]

Scale High, this guy is making me crazy, too. I need to buy more rope so I can buy his bag to put it in!!!! aaarrrggghhh

Hell, I thought I was the only one :) .

[Frans]

Now I want a mesh bag, stop bringing out sexy bags please Bob.

Ah hum!
first you need to send me some coin for the honor of buying a mesh bag from HC!

[High Scale]

Crikey Frans, you want intellectual development costs?:what: :)

[Frans]

Crikey Frans, you want intellectual development costs?:what: :)


Well, yes! Also because I am the high and mighty overloard of all tree work, ya gotta pay just to have met me!

Bow down before the one you serve!

[High Scale]

Ok, ok, I get yer!

Just PM me your address and i'll send you some beer funds ok?;)

[GASoline71]

Sorry for the delay in getting the picture up for you Bob. I was havin' digi camera probs.

I got mine earlier in the week. Very nicely done Bob!!!:)

Gary

[Hobby Climber]

MonkeyPuzzle,

I sent you a few PM's...!

HC

[Hobby Climber]

The third bag is finished! The side issues have been corrected but I'm still NOT happy with the top yet. I'm making up a new version & may have it done late tonight. Its a simply problem to address but the combinations of methods are many!:X Again, getting closer with each try.

The 4th prototype will be done tonight but its 3:30pm here and I have a few libms to remove over a customers garage yet before it gets dark.

I'm also packing tonight to do deer hunting in the morning. Will be gone for up to a week but I'll post pics of the latest mesh bag prototype once back home!

Later,

HC

[Frans]

got the bag in the mail yesterday.

All in all it seems to be good.

Seems like the side black webbing could be doubled up to make it stand up even after wearing in.
But I like it.

I would caution you, HB. The mesh bags are lighter and possibly not as durable as a full fabric bag. THis talk about dropping them out of trees may not be good for a mash bag. Also, if you snag them like on climbing spurs, they may just develop holes.

Also, simple is best- dont 'love' it to the point where you over engineer it. I see no reason not to sell the bag as it is with just a bit more stiffining on the sides so it wont collapse when feeding a rope into it.
The stitching is even, the seams are well placed, and the webbing handles are a good length.

I will take 4 of the bigger bags and 5 of the smaller bags please.

Thanks
Frans

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

Glad you like it so far. I will be doubling the sides but this time will use the full width of the inner web strap for support. That should do it! It'll make it easier to put together as well as I can give it a cleaner more even finish.

I know you are fine with the top rim the way it is, and it works ok... BUT I have one more possability in designe that could work a bit better. This one will be a 14" bag & once its done I'll send it to you to compare the two for yourself. What ever you decide will be the way I'll make all the others!

Don't worry about the mesh getting damaged any time soon, it'll take over 90lbs force to rip it! Its coated nylon and will take quite a beating!

You will get the next bag in a couple weeks. Sorry for the delay but I want to get it right first. You order is in for 4 - 16" & 5 -14"ers once the final product designe has been established. HC

[Hobby Climber]

I think I finally got it right!

After five attempts of trial & error, I do believe that the 5th prototype is the winner! I doubled the sides with a 2nd piece of webbing,(full width) and it seems to be working fine. The top was a bitch, but after 5 trys, I now have the desired effect I wanted. It closes the same way as my other (all fabric) bags and with the same feel...not to stiff & not to soft!

The top took the longest to figure out and its a bit of a trick to put it together. The top 1" of the rim is just fabric,(no mesh). The outside of the (solid fabric) rim is attached 1" below & 1" above the mesh. On the inside of the rim, the solid fabric catches the top part of the mesh and continues up 1", then back down the other side. This combination of fabrics & folds give it its strength & flexability!

The "Bag Lady" out did herself on putting this bag together! :)

This 14" bag will be mailed out to Frans for his review. Afterwards, I'll have to sit down & figure out my costs in order to set a price for the mesh bags. I'll let you guys know once I know.

For all the guys who have been waiting for there standard 16" bag, I offer my appologies for taking so long. Your bags will be made next before any mesh bags are made! You've been waiting long enough!

Frans, what that means is your going to have to wait a bit before I can get started on your order. Its only fair to the other guys. I'll get this 5th prototype mesh bag mailed out to you this Tuesday.

Below are some pics of this latest mesh bag. Enjoy. HC

[MasterBlaster]

:D

It looks nice

[Skwerl]

Anybody want to buy a half dozen yellow CMI rope bags? Cheap? Even though I no longer use as many ropes as I once did, your dedication to quality and function makes me want to replace all my rope bags!

Seriously, and I'm not just blowing smoke up your skirt, anyone who is even considering a rope bag (instead of hanking/ coiling your ropes like we've all done for years) needs to forget about the overpriced crap from Buckingham and Sherrill. The 2 bags I got from Bob are better than anything I've ever put my paws on. And those mesh bags look like the shiznit!
8)

[Stumper]

I just used small duffle bags until Bob designed a proper rope bag-Love mine!

[Rborist1]

Bob,

When do we go into production? The mesh bags look awesome! Way to go Canuck!

[woodchux]

I got a solid rope bag from Bob a while back, and its held up great.
The new mesh bags are very nice ! I'll of course want at least one.

[Paul B]

welcome woodchux!

[MasterBlaster]

Welcome to the TreeHouse, Woodchux! :beerchug:

[woodchux]

Thanks for the welcome guys...
I've been lurking for a couple of years, finally got around to making a post.
Be Safe

[Hobby Climber]

Hi Chuck, glad you like your bag and welcome to the "TreeHouse"! ;)

[Hobby Climber]

MonkeyPuzzle,

I recieved your envelope in the mail today. Thank you very much!!! Hope you get many years of dependable service with your new bag! If you have any problems with it, let me know & I'll send you a new one at no charge!;)

Thanks again.

HC

[Frans]

HC,
Have you seen the rope bag in the Sherrill's fall 2006 INNOVATION catalog?
Page 14 item # 28777.
What do you think of it?
Frans

[Paul B]

HC you get my payment yet? the check is in the mail eh! :)

[Hobby Climber]

HC,
Have you seen the rope bag in the Sherrill's fall 2006 INNOVATION catalog?
Page 14 item # 28777.
What do you think of it?
Frans





Frans,

Thats NOT a rope bag... it's a throwline bag ! If you look at that picture under good lighting, you can see the throwline through the mesh. I haven't seen one of them up close so I cannot comment about its construction.




Paul,

Yes I did recieve your envelope, It came on Nov.08th around the time I was deer hunting. I should have mentioned it earlier...sorry paul & thank you !

Other than the size & being all blue on the outside, did you see or notice any difference between the two??? HC

[Paul B]

no worries HC. just making sure you got the goods. thanks for the rope sack !

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,


Did you get the second mesh bag yet? If so, let me know if you like the way it closes ... better or worse than the first one I sent you? I'm happy with this final designe,(for now). I also doubled the web sides and this makes it stronger & easier to put together.

Let me know what you think & if I need to improve anything.


Bob (HC)

[Hobby Climber]

Sorry again for the delay in getting the bags made... I had some ready earlier this week to be sent out but noticed some quality control issues with the location of the grommets! They had been installed incorrectly and this hinders the closing & opening of the bag!~ I will not sell crap!!! I should have some more ready by this weekend and out by next week.

As mentioned earlier, I just have one person making them at this time and am looking for one or two others to sew for me. This isn't easy because the construction requires a heavy duty sewing machine! I did find one person that was interested but they wanted more money to make a bag than what I'm selling them for!:what: ...I don't think so.

So for now untill I get better organized, I'll be turning out good quality bags one bag at a time after work (full time day job) and on weekends.

Everything in time so please be patient. Again, sorry for the delays...it can't be helped. HC

[Frans]

Frans,

Thats NOT a rope bag... it's a throwline bag ! If you look at that picture under good lighting, you can see the throwline through the mesh. I haven't seen one of them up close so I cannot comment about its construction.
HC

Great! That means you are still on the cutting edge of innovation!

No, have not gotten the second rope bag yet.
I will say however that the first one I got from you has, in this recent rain we've gotten, has kept my rope from moldering like the other ropes in the box.
It's great, look forward to getting more, dont know why mesh bags have not been invented before now...
Frans

[squisher]

No worry's HC just keep me on the list8)

[olyman]

frans--not a rope man in trees--but--the reason no other one has made these bags--because theyve been making them that way for years--and no complaints--ya know--uh huh---mainly they dont want to change their ways--unlike our friend on this forum----ya--innovation--

[Frans]

frans--not a rope man in trees--but--the reason no other one has made these bags--because theyve been making them that way for years--and no complaints--ya know--uh huh---mainly they dont want to change their ways--unlike our friend on this forum----ya--innovation--


Huh! :? Your post defies my ability to interpet what the hell you are saying.
Care to elaborate?

[Frans]

I GOT MY ROPE BAG TODAY!!

One item I have noticed about the bags is the stitching, it is even, not sloppy at all.
They stand up on their own, have a great closing top, the fabric is stout, dont know what else to say.

The bags seem great to me, I have already contacted a friend who wants one.
So HC, get it together and send me my order!, Right away! :)
I need the whole order so I have enough to send a sample to several people who are interested.
The picture is of Kimba our new boarder collie puppy who is a genious at destroying things. She did not do any damage after 3 minutes of chewing. That says ALOT believe me.

[pantheraba]

Huh! :? Your post defies my ability to interpet what the hell you are saying.
Care to elaborate?

I think he is saying he is not a 'rope-man in the trees'...that the regular producers are stuck in the mode of "this is how we have always done it"...that HC is being an innovator to meet a niche market...YA!:)

[Franz]

In a side by side comparison of the mesh on the Buckinham bags and the HC bags, I noticed the following differences:

The Buck. bags seem to be a smaller mesh at first glance. But the HC bags have a small thread that bisects the mesh opening.
Both mesh(es) are of the apparently same diameter thread.
I have a small rip in one of my Buck bags, so I will wait and see if it gets any bigger before applying some Shoe Goo or some other product.
If I get a rip in the HC bag I will do the same to see if both mesh(es) are of equal or different strengths.

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

Glad to hear the 2nd bag found your house! I haven't seen the buckingham bags mesh to know what they are using. If you ,(or anyone), could take a clear close up pic of its mesh, I would be greatfull. Just like to know what material they use!



To all,

The person who I have making the bags for me, ("The bag Lady"), is a retired nurse & loves to sew. She works full time at a place that makes shock covers for ATV & snow machines. She plans on giving that up sometime next year & only make rope bags to fullfill her love of sewing.

She had asked me if I'm getting enough bag orders to make it worth her wile to quit her full time job & work full time for me! As tempting as that was, I said it would be foolish to quit any job with a steady income just to take a chance that another venture might be better.

I will not be responsable for someone giving up a steady job just to fullfill me needs! Its just not right IMO. Now on the other hand, I do see this bag thing taking off! Problem is, I'm not a bisness man, just an idea man trying to become a bisness man! So if you guys have any ideas or suggestions, well, I'm all ears!!!

To hire other sewers means the price of the bags will go up. I don't want to do that. After all, its just a rope bag.

This bag making thing started off and then took off! Its suposed to be fun and as long as everyone know that there will be a bit of a wait in getting the bags they ordered, its still fun...no pressure on "The Bag Lady"! I can only make about 2 to 3 bags per week. As of today, there are about 30 bags on order so any new bag orders will not be ready untill the new year. BTW, its first come first serve regardless if you are ordering 1 or 10, its only fair this way!

Now you know my situation. I welcome your thoughts, comments, advice, (good & bad), and of course you bag orders!

Thank you everyone.:notworthy:

Bob (HC)

[Franz]

here are two pictures of the mesh detail in those bags.
The first is green. That is the Buckinham bag.
Second is Blue. That is HC's bag.

I did'nt even know that my camara could take such close close ups. The camara can see better than me!
I guess it really does pay to read the instructions....

[NickfromWI]

HCs mesh looks cooler!!!

Tell the bag lady to hold tight. It seems your bags are VERY good and won't need to be replaced often. I imagine your sales will eventually (but hopefully not) taper off. I'd hate for that to happen a month after the bag lady quit her old job!

I can start making some for ya!

love
nick

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

Thanks for the pics! I don't recognize that green material that buckingham uses. I don't think its a common material one would find in a fabric shop! Nither is the material that I use...& I'm not saying what it is either!!! I was told that its stronger that a material called phifertex. Phifertex will rip at 90lbs pull. My supplier said that the stuff I use is much stronger than the Phifertex mesh & will need more that 100lbs force to rip!
The mesh I use is the strongest & lightest material I could find. Time will tell how it holds up over time.




Nick,

Was at "The Bag Lady"s house today to figure out a way to get more bags made faster. Her prep time is time consuming and keeps her away from the sewing machine. Next week, I'll be cutting the fabric to size as well as cutting & melting the webbing and whatever I can do to allow the Bag Lady more time at her machine! Instead of 2-3 bags per week...I hope to increase to 3-5 pags per week! I'll know better in a month after trying it this way.

The Bag Lady will be quitting her day job sometime next summer (as she had planed), then she'll be making bags full time for me as the orders come in.

I do thank you for your kind offer to make some bag & may take you up on your offer in the future. Sewing it is one thing but the technique is everything. Its an involved process with no room for mistakes.

The other thing is you would have to have a heavy duty machine to push a needle through the fabric with nylon thread. It must have a walking foot cuz its imposable to attach the webbing without it!

We'll talk more about this if I become swamped with to many orders! Thanks again for your offer. HC

[Hobby Climber]

Rborist1,

I sent you a PM.

Let me know. HC

[olyman]

frans--pantheraba read it right--hc is a innovator!!!!!!

[Franz]

frans--pantheraba read it right--hc is a innovator!!!!!!

I agree, HC is doing fine work. However, he may find out that to make a high quality custom product is more expensive than the average tree guy will stomach.
Thats why products are made overseas.
Frans

[Hobby Climber]

Just glad folks here like the bags! :) HC

[Hobby Climber]

OK,

I have two bags ready in hand right now & I'll have another 5 bags ready this Sunday.

As mentioned before, first come first served. This bunch of bags will be going out as follows:

-LumberJack,
-RiverRat, &
-BrandonV.

Next batch of bags bags are promised to:

-Squisher,
-SOTC, &
-Cannuck, in that order!

After that, I'll be starting the Mesh bags.

...I'm getting there...slow yes but I'm getting there! HC

;)

[RIVERRAT]

HC, I still want one. Money is tight right at the moment. Dont send until you have my money.

[TC3]

HC, my order is going in (for my bro KMS, for Christmas or some darned thing)... P.M. coming your way.
Cheers !
TC3

[Hobby Climber]

PM recieved & one sent back to you!;)

[Hobby Climber]

SOTC (Willie), I sent you a PM !;)




FRANZ,

I'm working on your Mesh Bags at this time. I ran out of fabric to make the solid bags so more was ordered Monday.


(Squisher & Canuk are next on the list)!

HC

[sotc]

got it thanks

[Bodean]

Got the bag,

Excellent, Thank You so muxh, and the euc pads are going to a fella
still on Klein T-Pads.

He'll thank you later.

[Hobby Climber]

Glad the package found you. Keep in mind that that bag was a prototype bag & NOT a production bag! The production ones are nicer IMHO. I do hope Malika likes it & gets many years of dependable service! HC

[Bodean]

Forgot to mention, Check went out Tuesday.

Thanks again.

[Frans]

Bodean, what the HECK is malika gonna do with one of those bags?
I would be very very nervous if I was you...

[Hobby Climber]

Frans, your absolutly right...she might want anohter one! HC ;)

[olyman]

hc--what a bag!!!!!!!!!!! got mine today--thanks----immediately went to shop--and put rope in bag--and burned cardboard box!!!!!! theres 100 foot of 1 in dia soft nylon rope--with hooks on each end in there--cant quite close bag--but its ok---as this rope is used to pull trees over----wonderful!!!!!!!!!

[Hobby Climber]

Forgot to mention, Check went out Tuesday.

Thanks again.
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Was recieved today & Thank You Sir!;)

[Bodean]

Bodean, what the HECK is malika gonna do with one of those bags?
I would be very very nervous if I was you...

Carry her climbline in it.

Bob,

I'm glad you got the funds. :)

[TC3]

Sweeeeeeeeeet, Deva !
I've held out on the idea that the bag is perfect for throw line !!!
Nice pix... I'm ENVIOUS !

[Frans]

Deva is taking good care of his girl, buying her a brand new exotic NewTribe saddle, twisted clevis for her flip line.
But those steel biners must weigh her down alot!

Happy to see another person getting up in the trees

[High Scale]

Mmmmmmmmmm, Lady's in saddles.

[Hobby Climber]

Carl (LJ),

I sent you a PM.:)

Bob (HC)

[sotc]

got your bags bob, thanks. ill get a check in the mail next day or 2.

[Hobby Climber]

got your bags bob, thanks. ill get a check in the mail next day or 2.

Great, hope you like them!

[Hobby Climber]

Canuck,

I sent you a PM.

HC

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

Just about done your order, I'm shooting for one more week or so & they will be done! ;)

HC

[Frans]

Frans,

Just about done your order, I'm shooting for one more week or so & they will be done! ;)

HC

Wonderfull! You are one busy bag maker thats for sure. Keep this up and you might just start making a little spending money! Takes awhile to get back all that R&D time and effort...

[Hobby Climber]

Wonderfull! You are one busy bag maker thats for sure. Keep this up and you might just start making a little spending money! Takes awhile to get back all that R&D time and effort...
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Yes its fun but I don't expect to get rich any time soon. I just bought a grommet press ($200++) before Christmas so it'll be sometime later this year before it pays for its self...I hope!


I'M NOW TAKING ORDERS FOR THE 14" MESH ROPE BAGS, (ready by spring)!!!


I like the 14" mesh bags height for your average store bought hanks of 120' & 150' length. These new mesh bags STAND UP and STAY OPEN just as good as my all fabric bags. They are much lighter also!

I will make the 16' mesh for longer climb lines & bull ropes on request but the standard bag (Mesh) will be the 14" inches! I'm focusing primarily on the the average climb lines.
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Price,

The price of the New Mesh bags will be $30.00 US funds (plus shipping) for either the 14" & 16" bags. I will make the mesh taller on special orders but the botton will stay the same 12" diameter.


BTW, all the bugs have been worked out on the mesh bags so I think your gonna like them!!!;) IMHO, this new Mesh Bag rocks!

Just so you know, I have 20 bags to make first befor I can get started with any new orders as of now so...

HC:)

[Frans]

Go Man Go!

[TC3]

Yes its fun but I don't expect to get rich any time soon. I just bought a grommet press ($200++) before Christmas so it'll be sometime later this year before it pays for its self...I hope!

I've heard through the grapevine that the grommets should be bigger, for passing a 'biner ???
Just feedback izzall.
:/:
Those mesh bags look like they're the TICKET, Bob !!!
I know your customers will be so pleased with them.

[Hobby Climber]

[QUOTE=TC3;95380]I've heard through the grapevine that the grommets should be bigger, for passing a 'biner ???
Just feedback izzall.
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TC3,

I can do custom work on a bag to accept a biner. It would have to be done with the webbing though. To go out & buy a bigger grommet die for my press would cost me another $90 bucks!:O There are other ways, adding a folded loop on the bag would be easier! HC
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T,

I sent yo a PM. :)

HC

[TC3]

BUMP for HC's rope bags ! I bought one for my bro, who uses it for throw line.
Great product, Bob. I wish you every success.
(P.S. Still make the grommets bigger... atleast ONE of 'em ?)
For those who haven't got one yet, the bags squish down nicely when not in use. The mesh is perfect.
Maybe when Hobby Climber hits the "Big Time" he'll buy a round for the House ?!?
;)
...Will keep spreading the good word !

[squisher]

Hobby Climber who's next on the list? Please say me.8)

[Hobby Climber]

Hobby Climber who's next on the list? Please say me.8)
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Justin,

I had a problem with on of the last two bags I'm making for Frans, (hight issue again, had to start over). Once the last of his two are done...Your Next!

The bag lady is gonna need a bit of a break soon... I haven't let her out of the sweat shop for some time now. I ask for your patience. HC
.
.
.
Theresa,

I do have the grommet press to insert a larger grommet to take a carabiner. But to buy a new size die just to make one hole in a bag... its not $$$ wise for me at this time. A simple and more practical solution would be to attach a web loop to the top of the bag. It would be easier to do and much stronger over all.
I could simply continue the web backing, (found between the web handle & bag), and continue it up into a twisted loop. Then sew it back along itself between the handle & the bag. This way the load is carried along the length of the bag and not just one small point!

Just a thought. HC

[Frans]

HB,
I was working in the rain the other day, and my rope bag filled with water up to the edge where the mesh starts. Dumped out the water.
I would really really like to have a grommet centered in the bottom of the rope bags.

[Hobby Climber]

HB,
I was working in the rain the other day, and my rope bag filled with water up to the edge where the mesh starts. Dumped out the water.
I would really really like to have a grommet centered in the bottom of the rope bags.
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Frans,

I'll put one or more grommet(s) in the bottom of your bags if you like, thats no problem! Thing is , they will be the same size as the ones at the top of the bag!!! I just have the one size grommet die at this time and at a price of $90-$100+ each:O , thats likely all I'll have!

Just let me know how many you would like in the bottom...one or more??? I'll even give you your choice of location...let me know & I'll get started tonight. I'm thinking three grommets in a triangle pattern about 4" apart at center. HC

[squisher]

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Justin,

I had a problem with on of the last two bags I'm making for Frans, (hight issue again, had to start over). Once the last of his two are done...Your Next!

The bag lady is gonna need a bit of a break soon... I haven't let her out of the sweat shop for some time now. I ask for your patience. HC

No worries HC as it happens is cool with me.

[Frans]

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Frans,

I'll put one or more grommet(s) in the bottom of your bags if you like, thats no problem! Thing is , they will be the same size as the ones at the top of the bag!!! I just have the one size grommet die at this time and at a price of $90-$100+ each:O , thats likely all I'll have!

Just let me know how many you would like in the bottom...one or more??? I'll even give you your choice of location...let me know & I'll get started tonight. I'm thinking three grommets in a triangle pattern about 4" apart at center. HC


Whoh, whoh big eager fellah!
NO, no no no.
One (1) grommet centered in the bottom of each bag. Not two, not three, not four, just one. Centered in the bottom of each bag. Did I say just one grommet? One (1) grommet per bag!
Anymore and I wont pay a red nickel for the bag!
:)

:)

[Paul B]

dang, three grommets? I would be working if its raining that hard.


edit: meant to say ' wouldn't"

[squisher]

dang, three grommets? I would be working if its raining that hard.

Of course you would coastie:P .

[Paul B]

ha, thats pronounced ' consulting' as in an office day.

[Hobby Climber]

[QUOTE=Frans;102534]Whoh, whoh big eager fellah!
NO, no no no.
One (1) grommet centered in the bottom of each bag. Not two, not three, not four, just one. Centered in the bottom of each bag. Did I say just one grommet? One (1) grommet per bag!
Anymore and I wont pay a red nickel for the bag!
:)

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Frans,

Let me see if I understand you right...that was just one grommet you wanted in the bottom of the bag? :lol: :P


No problemo, I'll get started on them tonight!:|:

Just to repeat what I mentioned earlier, I only have one size grommet that I'm using at this time. It'll be the same size grommet that you find at the top of the bag for the drawstring! Just so ya know. HC

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

I was looking in one of my catalogs this evening for bigger grommet dies so I can put larger grommet in the bottom of the mesh bags in the future. They don't make big ones (#5 grommets) to fit my press...just hand dies that you hit with a dead blow hammer. I'll call one of my suppliers to get a price on them as well as the 5/8" size grommets. I likely will not get one untill I can recoup some of my expenses.

BTW, I recieved your last two bags from "The Bag Lady"... just have to add grommets & drawstring to them and your order is done! Now I have to find a box to ship them in & they'll be sent out by the end of the week! HC

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

:multi: The bags were mailed out to you today! I PM'd you with the tracking number & Canada post web site. There area code is 8 8 8 but for some reason came up with a smiley in the PM.

You should get them within 11 business days...Enjoy! HC

[Frans]

thanks

[Hobby Climber]

OK, I now have a price for a grommet punch, press & die to insert a grommet with a 5/8" hole. Its just over $105.00 + tax & shipping (Canadian) & comes with 100 brass grommets.

This 5/8" grommet would go into the bottom of the rope bag to allow watre to escape.

Would this be something you guys would be interested in having in the bottom of your rope bags??? ...Both bags or just the mesh bags???

Your thoughts. HC

[Frans]

yes :)

[sotc]

if it raining that hard ill go home:)

[Skwerl]

A nice touch but it wouldn't affect my purchase decision either way. My favorite feature of your bags is the fact that they are simple and inexpensive, and they WORK!

I only ever bought one Buckingham rope bag and I hate it. Too many doodads and 'features' that I don't use. The side pockets and label window have never been touched. The soft floppy drawstring top has never been drawn closed, although it gets in my way every time I try to load a rope in the bag. I'm considering just cutting off the top of the bag so I can use it more easily.

I've mostly used the CMI yellow rope bags. They are simple and cheap, but not ultra sturdy and they won't stand up unsupported in order to load a rope. The bags I bought from you are just as basic as the CMI bags but much sturdier and they stand up unsupported. That's all I could ask for in a rope bag.

Water will go through the tiniest of holes. If you want a drain hole, just use the same size grommets you have and save your money. :thumbup:

[Hobby Climber]

Here are a few of the new Mesh Bags I sent to Frans, (in mail at this time). They have the same small grommet in the bottom as is used with the draw string. It should work but I guess Frans will know best after he uses them in the rain!

I would have posted pics earlier but I'm back on dial-up at this time and as you know, it takes forever! HC

[Frans]

they look perfect to me :)

[Frans]

I've mostly used the CMI yellow rope bags. They are simple and cheap, but not ultra sturdy and they won't stand up unsupported in order to load a rope.

Those CMI yellow rope bags are sturdy. You must really thrash them or put them in the washing machine to make them floppy. The mesh bags that HB makes will get just as floppy under the same treatment....

I also dont like the fabric tops, they are a PITA.

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

Just wondering if them rope bags found you yet? HC

[Frans]

No, but I have'nt checked the p.o. box this weekend. Monday I'll let you know either way.

[Hobby Climber]

No, but I have'nt checked the p.o. box this weekend. Monday I'll let you know either way.
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:thumbup:

[Hobby Climber]

HappyTree,

I sent you a PM.;) HC

[Frans]

Hey HB! Where are my royalties for that avatar?! :)

[Hobby Climber]

It's in the mail. :P Ha!

[Hobby Climber]

Squisher,

Your bags will be ready in about 2 weeks!

Bob

[squisher]

Sweet!8)

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

They are in California...I sent you a PM.;). HC

[Hobby Climber]

Squisher & Canuck,

A PM's been sent to you guys.;)

HC

[pigwot]

HC,
I'm back on the forum. Yes, as soon as you have my four ready (the standard, all-blue 16"ers) let me know a price with the shipping and I'll have it on the way to you.
I had designed a one-off toolbox to bolt in against the headboard of my new used (1990) Ford Super Duty chip truck, with full length doors on the sides, street-side would have approx. 16" deep bins with snap-on lids for small items, and the other 2/3rds to 3/4 of the space would be accessible from the curb side with a pull out rack to hang rope bags, and an empty area across the bottom for cant hooks and long tools... but the budget got in the way, so that'll be another day. Will be tossing the rope bags in the back, as usual.

--pigwot

[Frans]

Hey got my rope bags yesterday!
thanks.
Two bags Greg Good wants and two bags Charli Pottoroff wants. Damm. Now I wont have enough for me!
Thanks again for all your hard work. Bags look real nice.

[Hobby Climber]

Pigwot,

Good stuff with the truck tool box designe, do post some pics once its finished! Sure the gang would like to see what you've come up with.

I have one of your bags ready and the rest should be done by the end of this month. Oh and Pat,... welcome back to the TreeHouse! ;) HC
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Frans,

Thats great, I hope everyone likes them!!! Be sure to post some pics of the Mesh Bags in action some time. BTW, I know a few guys that are using the mesh bags for there throw lines (TL). Didn't even think of that application but it should work fine. Let me know how they hold up over time...I haven't had time to make on for myself yet!:( HC

[Hobby Climber]

After hearing that a couple of the guys with my mesh bags are using them to hold there throw ling, I thought I'd take it one step further. A 14"-16" bag would be kinda to big so I was thinking of something shorter but with the same size base for easy loading. Simple to so, just cut the mesh shorter!

The only other thing that would be added would be a loop to allow a ring, snap-link or carabiner. Again, an easy fix. I could simply extend the web backing (sandwiched between the handle web strap & the mesh), up past the bags rim, bend it over and tuck it back into between the handle strap & mesh. (See Pic)

Good idea or not ???

HC

[NickfromWI]

HC- I'd rather have the loop inside, and maybe the option to have a dog snap sewn in, as a quick place to clip the bag.

Put a pocket laying on the floor. This is place to put the bag tied on to the tail end.

Make the thing the a little wider at the top.. The wider mouth at the top will make for easier loading. Usually I load a rope into a bag my kneeling down and pulling it over my shoulder. Throwline get's thrown in while standing up.

In reality it can be 6 or 8" tall. We don't put THAT Much throwline in a bag. Look inside a Faltheimer with 400' of throwline in it. It's still 98% empty. Lower to the ground means less likely to fall over when setting up on a hill, less sail space for the wind to blow it over, less high you have to lift your foot when you step over it, less bulk to carry, etc.

If you can make the sides so you can fold them in to hold the throwline from shifting around during transport, like the cube, then you'll be WAY better than just a bag. Maybe appropriately placed piece of velcro to keep it closed during transport?

I can't wait to see what you come up with. I've made a few throwline bags in my day- but your sewing skills (and that of the bag lady) far exceed mine, so I'm excited!

love
nick

[Old Monkey]

I am on the verge of bag failure. Is the waiting list long? I to would like to sample you wares. Mesh would be cool, but I don't have as many ropes as Frans does to sort out which is which, its either the short one or the long one. Let me know what is available or what the wait is.

[Hobby Climber]

Nick,

You've given me a few ideas to consider. Now I just need time to experiment. To be continued!
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Darin,

Sorry no mesh bag untill late April or more likely May! BTW, I do have a 16" solid fabric bag available thats not been spoken for yet! It could be mailed out this week. You have first dibs on it but let me know either way by Friday what you decide.

If you are looking at a mesh bag, get you order in soon to avoid long delays. I can add another bag in with the next batch!;) HC

[Old Monkey]

I'll take one of each. The one you have and one of the ones you are making. PM me how much moola and your address.

[Hobby Climber]

PM sent!:)

[Hobby Climber]

High Scale, a PM's been sent your way!8) HC

[Labour of Love]

Hey, hey -- got mine the other day and IT'S A WINNER!!! Put me on the list for another one, please.

[Hobby Climber]

Hey, hey -- got mine the other day and IT'S A WINNER!!! Put me on the list for another one, please.
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Done! :thumbup: ...and thanks. HC

[squisher]

Bob, bags have arrived payment is in the mail. Thank-you kindly sir an extremely high quality product, pics will follow.;)

Also I'd like on the list for two of the mesh bags if possible.:)

[Hobby Climber]

Bob, bags have arrived payment is in the mail. Thank-you kindly sir an extremely high quality product, pics will follow.;)

Also I'd like on the list for two of the mesh bags if possible.:)
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Justin,

Glad you like them & I'll put you on the list for two of the new 14" Mesh Bags! I look forward to your pics. :)

[sotc]

just droppin in to say the bags are great.dont have the tops foldin in when im flaking rope in the bag!

[Canuck]

Bob my two new bags arrived today. They are awesome except I thought you where sending me mesh bags. Oh well... ...put me on the list for 2 mesh bags if you will.

[Hobby Climber]

Ben,

Glad you like them!

I checked over all the PM's you & I ever exchanged and you had clearly requested a total of 4 solid 16" bags, not mesh! With the first two bags I mailed to you back in January, (1&2 of 4), I sent you one mesh bag and one solid bag and we had both agreed to this change! I'm not sure why you would be expecting mesh bags as the last two I mailed you on 08 March, (3&4 of 4)? :? If I made a mistake in communication please tell me & I'll correct this situation to your satisfaction! ;)

I now have you down for 2 of the standard 14" Mesh Bags as requested! I'll contact you when they get close to being finished.

[Hobby Climber]

High Scale,

Was wondering if you got the PM & sent you about you request? Let me know it will work for you! HC

[Canuck]

Bob. I thought we discussed changing my order to mesh bags, but sometimes what I think and what I do are two different things. Any ways, no biggie. I like the fabric bags plenty. But I'll still take a couple mesh ones whenever you have them.

Ben


ps. On my way to drop your cheque in the mail right now

[Hobby Climber]

Ben, I was talking to a few other of guys about bags the night we spoke on the phone & may have missed something. So to be fair, once your mesh bags are ready, I'll ship them to you & the postage is on me! 8) As you say, no biggie. ;) HC

[Hobby Climber]

Hey, hey -- got mine the other day and IT'S A WINNER!!! Put me on the list for another one, please.
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Kate,


I recieved a very stylish envelope today, most impressive I must say!

Thank you.:) I'll get your other bag sent out once its ready!


Bob

[Hobby Climber]

[QUOTE=squisher;112699]Bob, bags have arrived payment is in the mail. Thank-you kindly sir an extremely high quality product, pics will follow.;)
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Squisher,

Envelope was recieved, thank you kindly! HC

[Hobby Climber]

CANUCK,

Recieved with thanks!;)

HC

[Hobby Climber]

PIGWOT,

Your bags are ready, I sent you an e-mail.

HC

[pigwot]

Thanks Bob,
Looking forward to them. Also, most likely canceling spring trip to Michigan. Will be passing through in July. Flying out to Oregon and riding a bicycle back East. Would pass through MI about July 18th to 22nd, and will be crossing Ontario as far as Niagara Falls; we'll have to look you up, as well as others on the board. To see the tentative itinerary click on the link for the Cross Country Bike Trip (picture of the bicycle tourist heading down into Death Valley) at: http://www.whizbark.com
Thanks again for the bags.
--pigwot

[Hobby Climber]

Pat,

Sarnia is about 1 hour from the Ambassador bridge (Windsor/Detroit). Maybe I'll take a run up there when you come through! We'll see. HC

[Hobby Climber]

You guys thought your bags took a long time to be made... mine took almost 6 month!


Before anyone asks for one ...DON'T!!!


This was a one time only build and I cannot get the same custom printed material again! The print was made as a favor to me from a co-worker of the Bag Lady! I'll be looking into other options but don't hold your breath, this stuff doesn't come with pattern on it, it was custom printed. The pattern material came in four sections that had to be cut, spaced & fitted so the web straps covered the edges. It was a big P.I.T.A. according to the "Bag Lady" and she refuses to make another one! :(



I was limited with few pattern options and thought this would be kinda fun to have. If nothing else, I think I can say that I was the first one to come up with this rope bag pattern concept!

So, what do ya think?

[MasterBlaster]

Sweet!!!

[Frans]

Not too into the death motto that seems so popular these days.....

Hey HB! did you get any money $$$$ from me ???

[Hobby Climber]

Hey HB! did you get any money $$$$ from me ???[/QUOTE]
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Nope, not yet! :( Was there a tracking number?

[Frans]

You should have got my payment by now. No tracking number for an envelope.
Also you should be getting some money from Greg Good as well. I sent him two bags...

[Hobby Climber]

I'll post here the day I recieve something! HC

[Frans]

I also gave two bags to Charly Potoroff. He buys alot of tree gear.

[Hobby Climber]

Pigwot,

The package you sent me yesterday arrived Monday 10 April. :)

Thank you sir!

HC

[Hobby Climber]

vharrison,

I sent you a PM. :)

HC

[NickfromWI]

Have you put any more thought/work into the throwline bag?

love
nick

[Hobby Climber]

Have you put any more thought/work into the throwline bag?

love
nick

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Nick,

I'm gonna put one together after I finish up with 3-4 more solid bags. Maybe after this weekend I'll put one together?

The one I'll be making will be a mesh rope bag but 11" tall. I'll be changing top a bit and eliminating the two handles. It will have a single strap & a small loop to attach your T-bag. Staying with the draw string for now. Haven't worked all the details out yet but we'll see how it goes and make changes as needed!

BTW, That 14" T-bag cube I bought ...its on its way out! I bent one of the upper "straws" and it isn't staying open very well. HC

[brendonv]

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Nick,

I'm gonna put one together after I finish up with 3-4 more solid bags. Maybe after this weekend I'll put one together?

The one I'll be making will be a mesh rope bag but 11" tall. I'll be changing top a bit and eliminating the two handles. It will have a single strap & a small loop to attach your T-bag. Staying with the draw string for now. Haven't worked all the details out yet but we'll see how it goes and make changes as needed!

BTW, That 14" T-bag cube I bought ...its on its way out! I bent one of the upper "straws" and it isn't staying open very well. HC

I am excited about these throwline bags, keep us posted! :thumbup:

[Hobby Climber]

I am excited about these throwline bags, keep us posted! :thumbup:
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Brendon, will do! HC

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mister Tee, I sent you a PM. HC

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

It was recieved today...thank you sir!;)

HC

[Frans]

Frans,

It was recieved today...thank you sir!;)

HC

You have got to be kidding me! It made it? Damm what a relief.
Thank you for the bags HB.
I will show them to other companies at Arbor Day tomorrow

[vharrison]

Here is mine!! Now I am just waiting on Nicks rope to come so I can fill it up!!

[sotc]

nice bench!!

[MasterBlaster]

I dunno. It looks like it just washed up onshore, orrrr something.

[Hobby Climber]

Wow, thats a great pic you posted! Thanks for sharing.

BTW, that driftwood bench is very nice also.:P Just kidding, that bench is incredible! HC

[vharrison]

I dunno. It looks like it just washed up onshore, orrrr something.

You don't like it? It is Indonesian Teak wood. I think it is kind of cool.

[MasterBlaster]

Of course I like it! I forgot the smiley... :P

[Hobby Climber]

Just to keep everyone up to date, the bags have been delayed (by me) because I've recently bought a new heavey duty sewing machine and hired a new Bag Lady to add to the sweat shop!

I was getting a bit fed up with not getting product made to fill the orders on time. Was no ones fault...it's just the way things happen to be! I figure I can afford a machine and pay another sewer, Bag Lady#2 (BL#2), on a per bag basis.

I've bought the machine on ebay so I likely will not recieve it for (I'm guessing) 10-14 days. Then I have to have the original Bag Lady (BL#1), break it in and then break in the new bag lady to make the standard mesh bags! The new bag lady also has a passion for sewing but doesn't have a day job so production should be RELIABLE!!! (cross your fingers)!

Once I get BL#2 up & running, I can then focus on new designes & concepts with BL#1 such as TL bags and custom work. Taking it to the next level is what I'm talking about!

If all goes well, this should be the last excuse and the last of the delays.

I wish to thank everyone who has purchased one of my rope bags in the past and will get the present orderes filled as soon as time allows. I would imagin it coud take at least a month from now to get things up & running. Thanks to all for allowing me this opportunity to continue producing a quality rope bag for you guys! :notworthy:

BTW, I'm fast approaching bag #100! Whoever the luckey person is who's order happenes to be the 100th bag (either solid or mesh), the bag will be made to order and shipped to them free!:D Thanks again guys for your support!


Bob (HC)

[squisher]

Cool Bob, your bags are an outstanding product!:thumbup:

Now how do your sewers feel about being called 'bag ladys'?;)

[Skwerl]

Bob, your rope bags ROCK and as far as I'm concerend you can take as much time as you want. As long as you're still making rope bags I'll never consider buying one from any other source.
Although with my current supply of your bags and CMI bags I probably won't need another one in the next 3 years. ;)

[Old Monkey]

Bob and the Bag Ladies, I think I saw them in concert.

[zzr1200]

I'm interested in two large solid bags, please.

Any chance of a price including shipping to the UK.

zzr1200 (alias John)

[Hobby Climber]

I'm interested in two large solid bags, please.

Any chance of a price including shipping to the UK.

zzr1200 (alias John)
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If memory serves, I believe it was about $70.00 total to ship (surface by ship) two solid bags to your door in the UK. It'll take about a month or so to reach you...just so ya know. To be added to the list, PM me with full Name, Address & Phone number and we'll take it from there. HC

[Stumper]

Bob, I think I need to get on your list for 2 mesh bags.

[Hobby Climber]

Bob, I think I need to get on your list for 2 mesh bags.
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I sent a PM you way.

[vharrison]

Bob and the Bag Ladies, I think I saw them in concert.


:lol:

[Hobby Climber]

Just checked the Fedex tracking info on that new industrial sewing machine I bought...

It left California on the 22nd and arrived in Toledo Ohio on the 24th. As I type this post, is in rout from Ohio to my father-in-laws place in SterlingHights Michigan. He might get it in the afternoon...maybe.

As mentioned earlier, BL#1 first has to break in this new machine and then break in BL#2. After that...its production time. :)

Eventually, I hope to not only get caught up with all the orders but would like to have at least 10 of each bag, (solid & mesh) pre made/on hand so I can get them sent out ASAP as orders come in!

Getting there. HC

[Frans]

Hey HB,
I have noticed two points on the bags that are weak and the seams are beginning to fail.

On the handles, the handle is stitched BELOW the upper strap that has the grommets in it.
At the point where the handles meet the bag, that stitching is tearing apart.
I would recommend stitching the handles ALL THE WAY to the top of the bag. Not just to the bottom of the grommet strap.

I will post a picture when I get a chance.

Thanks

Frans

[Hobby Climber]

Hey HB,
I have noticed two points on the bags that are weak and the seams are beginning to fail.

On the handles, the handle is stitched BELOW the upper strap that has the grommets in it.
At the point where the handles meet the bag, that stitching is tearing apart.
I would recommend stitching the handles ALL THE WAY to the top of the bag. Not just to the bottom of the grommet strap.

I will post a picture when I get a chance.

Thanks

Frans

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Frans,


Thanks for the heads up on the bags handles. Very much appreciated!!!

BTW, I now have the new industrial sewing machine but it doesn't have a zig-zag feature. Been trying to figure out a way to get around this issue at the top of the handles but have been drawing blanks.

Now with your new input, I can let the Bag Lady know the zig-zag feature is not needed and to just attach the handles all the way to the top of the bags rim.

Hopefully now I can get the two Bag Lady's (BL#1 & BL#2) back to making bags and not over thinking little problems!

Thanks again Frans,:thumbup:


HC

[Frans]

Yer welcome.

[Frans]

Two photos.
One is of the stitching pulling loose. The other is of the webbing laying flat against the top of the bag strap.
I personally believe that the handle should be sewn against the top strap maybe using a box stitch bisected with two seams in an 'X' within the box.
Hope all this is clear:

[Skwerl]

Whenever I notice a loose thread on mine, I'll melt it with a lighter. The melted thread will also seal itself and prevent further unraveling.

[Frans]

Prob. what I will do, skwerl. but that is not the point, at all.

[Hobby Climber]

Thanks for the pics Frans.

I originally wanted to use the box-X stitch but it was suggested that the web handles may not fold back along the side properly so a zig-zag stitch was used.

The nylon thread used is wax coated and I'm wondering if thats what may have allowed it to come loose? Perhaps a locking stitch could have helped.

Doesn't matter now, I'll take your suggestion and make the handles of the mesh bags attach to the top rim with a box-X stitch and that should take care of this problem!
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The two Bag Lady's should be getting together this weekend,(if all goes well) and BL#2 will be trained to make the mesh bags. Because of a designe flaw with the new sewing machine I bought, BL#2 will be making the sides, top & handles. BL#1 will be making the bottoms and attaching them to the bags.

I'm starting to get a bit frustrated with the delays in getting the bags made!!!:what: Sorry for the delays...again!

HC

[Stumper]

Bob, Take deep breaths, Shoot a perp. Go fishing. It will be alright-we know that quality is worth waiting for.


Oh and hurry up already wouldya.:P

[Frans]

It will be alright-we know that quality is worth waiting for.


They are very nice, high quality bags. I like them and will buy more when I need them.
Already being able to see what rope is in the bag is a great help. Also, the bags drain very well after working in the rain.
:thumbup:
HB, I understand what you said about the handles not folding back if stitched all the way to the top. But I put a clothes pin on the handle and then stuffed a rope. Yes the handles stood upright, but it is easy to keep them out of the way while stuffing. No biggi in my opinion.

[Hobby Climber]

Frans,

Do all the bags have the same issue or was it just the one in your pic? If its just the one bag, maybe the bag lady forgot to make a locking stitch on it! (an easy fix).

For now I'll be sewing the handles to the top of the rim.

HC

[Frans]

The purpose in posting ideas for improvements skwerl, is because HB is making a product that he wants to be truly solid. So he is constantly seeking out new ways to improve the method of construction.

HB, only one is doing this right now but I will put the others on my machine and sew them to the top of the bag because IMO it is a weak point.

[Hobby Climber]

HB, only one is doing this right now but I will put the others on my machine and sew them to the top of the bag because IMO it is a weak point.
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Frans,

Let me know how it works with the handles sewn to the top. I'll hold off untill I hear back from you!

Bob

[Frans]

Hb, thanks again for the rope bags. After some time in using them they still are holding up.
The sewing the handles to the top of the bag works great. I noticed that CMIs rope bags are sewn the same way.
Thanks again for all the hard work

Frans

[Hobby Climber]

Thanks for the update Frans.

Never noticed how CMI did there handles...been using my original prototype bags since day one and never looked back!

Just to let everyone know, it didn't work out with the 2nd Bag Lady (BL#2). I bought a heavey duty sewing machine to get her up & running but found out that there were designe issues with the machine. We could not sew the bottom of the bags on with this machine. So the plan was to just have her do the tops, sides, and handles and then let BL#1 attach the bottoms with her machine.

There were a few other minor issues to work out regarding techmique but in the end I don't think that the 2nd Bag Lady wanted to make the bags,(I'll leave it at that).

Because of all the time loss waiting for the machine to arrive and getting the other Bag Lady trained and a number of poor quality bag parts produced, I have nothing to show for the effort except less material, a heavey duty sewing machine, and a lot of time waisted.

In other words...back to square one and it'll be longer of a delay in getting proper bags made.

Nothing Ventured...Nothing Gained!

BTW, I do have a couple of solid 16" bags finished for local guys around here and one is for OM. Just waiting for some mesh bags to be put together before I can get them shipped!

My priority is to get "Rborist1"'s order out first because he's been waiting the longest!!! :( ...sorry Craig

Thats all for now... HC

[Frans]

HC, will the new machine sew zig zag? If so I will buy it from you

[Stumper]

Bob, Quality is worth waiting for....but make Craig wait longer- he deserves it.:P

[SinglerM]

Hi HC,

PM's sent.

Please add me to the list,for a couple of bags.

Ragards,
Mitch

[Hobby Climber]

Hi Mitch,

Welcome to the TreeHouse!!!

Thank you for your interest in my rope bags but I am about 25+ bags backed up at this time and the person who makes them for me has a full time job. ...In other words your looking well into next year before I get caught up with orders the way its looking. Sorry :cry: !

I have to start thinking about maybe getting them made overseas but as I mentioned earlier, I'm not a business man but rather an innovator! Thats gonna take me a while to educated myself & get organized! Its all new to me!


Yesterday I attended at the Michigan T.C.C. in Midland Michigan an had a great time. I met TC3's brother there as well...nice fellow I must say!

I also had a conversation with one of the Bartlett people from Detroit. They were good enough to allow me to show the bags at their display to get customer feedback. I could have sold about 15 to 20 mesh bags within the three or so hours I was there... if I had some made!:whine:

Bartlett said that that they would sell my bags for me on consignment at this time and if they do well would be interested in bulk orders if I decide to go bigger, (ie: -having them made in China).


Just as a foot note:

While at the T.C.C. in Michigan, I watched the "Through Line Competition", and observed about half a dozen competitors having issues with tangled rope coming out of there rope bag. Each one had coiled there rope first and then stuffed it into the rope bag. That technique ended up costing them points in added time it took to untangle there line in that competition!:cry:

Rope MUST be flaked into a rope bag...NOT COILED & STUFFED!!! :X


HC

[Stumper]

Bob, Many companies have found that cheap labor south of the border allows them to manufacture and import goods competitively. Perhaps you should check into having the bags made in ..... Michigan.

[Hobby Climber]

Bob, Many companies have found that cheap labor south of the border allows them to manufacture and import goods competitively. Perhaps you should check into having the bags made in ..... Michigan.
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Justin,

If you or anyone can find me a reasonable sweatshop south of our border to produce the bags, I'm all ears!!! The Bag Lady is not willing to give up her day job just yet and may work another year before working full time for me.

So far, she's only made one mesh bag since the 2nd Bag Lady left a few month back. Its very aggravating because I now have the demand for the bags but not the supply! :what:


What I'd like to eventually do is have some sweat shop produce the standard 14" mesh bags for me but still have the Bag Lady build the custom bags & prototypes. That would be best way to go I think.

As it stands now, I'm very hesitant to take on any more orders for fear of having guys pissed off at me for the ridiculously long delays in filling orders!!!:(


HC

[Skwerl]

I could auction off my two used HC rope bags to those who aren't willing to wait, but I'm afraid I'm not willing to part with them. :P

Sorry, but I had to rub that in... :D

[SinglerM]

I could auction off my two used HC rope bags to those who aren't willing to wait, but I'm afraid I'm not willing to part with them. :P

Sorry, but I had to rub that in... :D

Grrrrrrr!:lol:

[Canuck]

I have 4 and I like it like that. Nobodys getting my HC rope bags.